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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

That is not something that we are looking at for inclusion in the bill, but I continue to encourage the implementation of virtual schools with local authorities. Indeed, after my last visit to a virtual school, I asked why we do not have a virtual school that is accessible to pupils across Scotland. It is something that I am actively working on, aside from the bill. I do not feel that legislation is necessarily required for it, but I think that we can make progress by showing the outcomes that the virtual schools and the virtual headteacher network are having for pupils.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Trade unions are key partners. Just last week, I engaged with them on separate matters relating to the Promise. I regularly engage with social workers, and I am sorry to hear examples of specific difficulties. I have alluded to a number of different moves that the Government is making to provide support, because I know that social workers are dealing with extremely difficult and complex issues. As Iona Colvin has said, they are absolutely committed to delivering the Promise, which sometimes means that they go above and beyond their expected duties. I thank them for that commitment. I have set out a plan that will help to support the current workforce and add to it, so that work is spread more evenly and people do not have to work such long hours.

Iona, do you have anything to add?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

If you could, please, Mr Rennie.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Sure. The Scottish Government does not collect data on the number of children from hearings who are not allowed entry to, or are not able to enter, secure care. If a space was not available to a child who needed entry into secure care, intense discussions would take place between COSLA, the secure care centres, social workers and all the other relevant stakeholders to ensure that what was carried out would best suit the child’s needs.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Of course. As I said, discussions in relation to joint work on secure care are continuing with COSLA. What was the specific question? Was it about national referral?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I will bring in Iona Colvin in a second. We are doing a number of things to try to improve the situation in secure care, but we are not considering that at the moment, because, as I said, given the work that we are currently doing to overcome capacity issues and our planned work on the future of secure care, I do not necessarily believe that that would be required.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

As I said, we have been having those conversations. As you say, Mr Rennie, such situations can arise. We do not know what is going to happen tomorrow. I sat here and said—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I am going to provide a full update on the contingency measures, the discussions that have taken place and the actions that are being taken to ensure that that does not happen again.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

When I speak to foster carers, I hear about some of the challenges. They are dealing with an increasing number of really complex issues. I understand that finances are also an issue, and the Scottish Government is taking action on that through the Scottish recommended allowance. I appreciate, however, that there may still be concerns about that.

When I am out and about talking with foster carers and kinship carers, I hear loud and clear that, although money is of course important—I am not downplaying that—it is the wraparound support that is most important. It is a matter of ensuring that we get that right. Having somebody to pick up the phone to when there is a problem and getting respite are important.

Those are some of the issues that we are considering to inform what happens following the consultation and to inform the forthcoming bill.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

For me, part of the basis of the Promise is to keep children at home where it is safe to do so. If that is not possible, I would say that the next best place would be with their family, as long as that is a safe and loving environment for them. I promote kinship care, which is very important and instrumental for our aims in delivering the Promise.

I have met kinship carers. Just last week, I was out in West Dunbartonshire with kinship carers, and I have had some very challenging conversations with them. They feel that there is a lack of support for them. Finances can be difficult but, although that is important, it always comes back to the need for wider support from local authorities and an understanding that, just because a child is placed with their family, that does not mean that everything is okay—there can still be complex issues. Equally, a carer might be elderly or have other needs, so it is about ensuring that we have wraparound support for those families. At the end of the day, if a child stays in a kinship care arrangement, they will not go through the organisations and responses that would be required to help them if they were not staying with family.