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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 January 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

If I could bring in—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Again, I find that surprising on a lot of levels, because I meet regularly with The Promise Scotland and I engaged with it frequently. I emphasise again that that engagement was not on the specific provisions in the bill, because that would not be the correct process. I come back to my earlier comments about the fact that it was very clear that there were areas that were likely to be in the bill, given the host of public consultation exercises on those. I do not have anything further to add, other than that I am disappointed that there is that feeling that there has been a lack of engagement. However, I assure the committee that my officials and I continue to engage directly with The Promise Scotland. Mr Ross, you yourself said that The Promise Scotland said that it had no idea what was included in the bill, but that is the parliamentary procedure, which I have to follow.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

It is an extremely complex matter and I need to seek legal advice on it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I do not want to tell you how to write your report, Mr Ross, but what I would say is—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

—and I appreciate the concerns that have been raised about that. I am sorry, but I probably need to refer to my officials about the engagement that has taken place in relation to that specific aspect.

However, Gavin was referring to the engagement that has taken place around advocacy, and there has been a direct request to COSLA for further information to work with it on that aspect.

I guess that that feeds into the complexity of the issue. Various aspects of the bill will require engagement from different teams of Scottish Government officials. There might be concerns about specific aspects—as I said, I am more than willing to discuss those areas with COSLA or whoever it might be. However, I am clear that evidence exists that attempts have been made to engage and gather data from COSLA on those aspects.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I have said that I will look into these concerns further, ahead of stage 2. If there are legitimate ways—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

That would be based on a needs assessment, but it would allow local authorities to provide—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

If a needs assessment found that a child or young person was in need of aftercare, they would be required to get it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

If it is deemed that it is necessary and appropriate, yes. Obviously, not all under-16s would require it, but, if the needs assessment takes place and it was deemed appropriate for the young person to receive further care, they would get it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Of course, children in the children’s hearings system have a right to advocacy. If an advocacy worker has been provided, they will have someone there to stand up for their rights. The proportion of children in the hearings system who take up advocacy is higher, overall, than the proportion of those in the general population of care-experienced children and young people who take up advocacy. That speaks to the fact that there can be someone in the room who has the child or young person’s best interests at heart. I think that that is an appropriate safeguard.

Yesterday, I discussed with Who Cares? Scotland how we can increase the uptake of advocacy such that all children and young people take up that offer and have an advocacy worker in the room to safeguard their rights.