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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I have been clear about the safeguards that are available, and I have committed to exploring other potential safeguards with committee members, should they have any to put on the table. As I have said, if you have ideas about specific amendments that could be made to strengthen the provisions further, I would love to hear them.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Mr Briggs and I have discussed kinship care several times, and he knows that I am very committed to improving support and circumstances for kinship carers in general. There are ways to do that in a non-legislative fashion, but there might also be room for legislation. I am exploring what changes could be put in place. It has proved complex, due to some of the factors around kinship care, such as kinship care orders and whether kinship care is informal or formal.

I understand the concerns about kinship care not being included in the bill. The committee might be aware that I am developing a vision for kinship carers, in which I intend to lay out what has been raised with me regarding how to support kinship carers and most effectively improve their experiences. I am still considering that; unfortunately, the timings for the bill did not allow for that work to be included. I have committed to continuing to discuss the issue with Mr Briggs in relation to where I feel that there is room for those non-legislative moves and whether there is room for amendment prior to stage 2.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Time would not have allowed for that, if I wanted to be in a position where I could—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I agree, Mr Ross. I have already touched on that. The figures are specifically in relation to the aftercare point that we have already highlighted. I believe that there is a better way, and that is what we are working through with COSLA at the moment. I have committed to providing any updated financial information to the finance committee, and I will do the same with this committee.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

We might have discussed this separately, but I have been clear about the need for a preventative approach. I have alluded to the issues that can follow a child through their life or that can arise as a result of poor services for adults. I completely appreciate the financial challenges and difficulties that local authorities face, but I would argue that, going forward, there is a need to further invest in the services that we are talking about. It does not necessarily involve a financial ask; it is about joining up approaches, breaking down silos and getting people to work more closely when their services are related. As I have said, and as Iona Colvin said, many local authority areas or IJBs already operate in that way. It is about sharing best practice and understanding whether there are concerns that need to be addressed.

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Yes, of course.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

There are valid points on affordability that would be of extreme concern to committee members and others if, for example, the bill was a Government bill.

I am trying to emphasise some of the areas that Parliament needs to consider.

If the Government does not provide a financial resolution, the bill will fall—that has been made clear.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I am merely highlighting the Government’s concerns. That is the line of questioning that you are giving me, convener.

As I have already said, the process is not unique to Scotland. The Welsh Government has it, and the UK Government has used it. We are not in a unique position here. I hope that the committee would be graceful given the fact that we are considering the matter fully. We appreciate that the 26 September deadline is near, and I have committed to ensuring that a decision is communicated by that date.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I have given my answer to the convener. I apologise if that was how that came across.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I made clear last night that the matter is subject to on-going consideration and that the Government will consider its position by 26 September. I have made clear that the work that the member in charge has undertaken over recent months and has shared with me, as well as my own engagement and the work that my officials have been undertaking, will be used to inform that.

I should now make clear that this is not a Government-supported bill. There is no formal requirement on the Government to provide support. However, I have continued to engage with Ms Smith and to provide requested information, and I have continued to engage with key bodies. This will go through the normal Cabinet process. I am not able to give any further information on dates, but I assure the committee that the decision will be made and announced prior to 26 September.