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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 January 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

That is the case, Mr Mason—you are absolutely correct. There is a level of complexity here. For a start, work is under way to consider the question that you have just posed to me. Obviously, the consultation on the issue has closed, and I do not think that I can necessarily define what “excessive profits” are at the moment.

As I have said, there is a complexity here, because we know that there could be an element of reinvestment, whether it be in the estate, a centre or whatever. Again, it probably comes back to what I was talking about with regard to regulations. Giving ourselves more time to develop this area further is, I think, very appropriate, because we want to get it right. I know that many people have the right aims at heart when it comes to delivering support for our children and young people, but the whole idea and aim of the bill have come directly from children and young people themselves, who said in the independent care review—and, indeed, have said repeatedly afterwards—that people should not be profiting from their care.

I know that that does not answer your question directly, Mr Mason, but I recognise that there is a level of complexity here, which is currently being considered.

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

It is just still morning, yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

As we have mentioned, they will be in line with the provisions that are already in place under UNCRC and under the getting it right for every child framework, so local authorities already have that responsibility.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Okay, sorry if I misheard your question and went on a different strand. Can you repeat it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Stakeholders have come to me with concerns about ensuring that the register is independent. I do not have a definitive answer, but I can certainly see why that would be the right approach and am considering that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

The issue in that regard is that there is responsibility across a number of fronts to deliver on the Promise. Of course, I am the minister with responsibility for the Promise, so I lead from the front in that respect. However, we have whole-Government effort, local government effort and third sector partners who are working daily to deliver the Promise, so I think that it would be hard to make one person accountable for the entire journey, remembering the time that is involved in that. However, I have been very clear that there is room for more accountability. There are already ways in which we are looking to understand the level of delivery of the Promise across Scotland.

We have aims and targets for what we want to see, and I have already mentioned the inconsistency across Scotland on the different areas of delivery of the Promise. Further work could be done in that regard, but I do not necessarily think that I can put on record in the committee right now who I think should be seen to be accountable for it, because there are a lot of delivery partners across Scotland. However, there are certainly ways in which we could look to increase accountability.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

With regard to some of the guidance and regulations, not just in relation to the definition of “care experience”, but a number of other things—for example, the register of foster carers—there will be opportunities to engage with not only the people who will be impacted but those who might implement aspects of the policy. It will give additional time and flexibility to realise the bill’s aims. As I have said, I do not think that there is always a necessity for specific aspects to be in the bill.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

—but, as I said, we are enhancing and widening access to aftercare, so—