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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I will bring Gavin Henderson in in a moment, but I see a range of different approaches being taken across the country. Some local authorities already function in that way and they would not need to take next steps, unless we go back to what I said earlier about sharing best practice to show that working differently does not have to make things harder but can make them easier and far more fluent. There is no one-size-fits-all approach to the next steps. A period of working and engagement will be required to find the best way forward for each local area, drawing on the best practice that already exists.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I agree with that to a certain extent, and I think that that comes across in the provisions that we have included in the bill. We understand that, in some situations, there might have to be grounds hearings, but, given the nature of those hearings and the fact that 86 per cent of cases result in an application for proof, we want to reduce their number. The provisions in the bill will help to do that and to take people out of a situation that they should not really be in.

However, as I have said to Sheriff Mackie, I still see grounds hearings being required on certain occasions.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I was provided with the best information that I could be given at the time, and I had to choose between progressing with a bill under the timeline that was given to me or committing to updating that information further. As Gavin and I have alluded to, information was requested from COSLA on a number of different aspects of the bill, and the most efficient and useful figures were not provided in all areas.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Mr Mason, you have rightly highlighted some of the complexities around this issue. I do not believe that it is impossible, and, equally, I do not want to comment on anyone’s specific circumstances, but I appreciate how things can look to children and young people. As I have said, all those factors will be considered as the work progresses.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

As Gavin Henderson alluded to, this is what stakeholders have asked for—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Again, I do not want to put a definitive timescale on it. It is most important that we get this right. The clear response to Mr Mason’s question about why we have taken a different approach is that it is to avoid some of those unintended consequences. I believe that the approach that we are taking is the right one, but it will be developed further. I do not want to put a definitive timescale on it, because I want to give the appropriate amount of time to work through the issues with concerned stakeholders.

As Mr Briggs said, we are not going to see the full effects of the Welsh model, and I have been clear that I want to work with my counterparts to find the best way forward and meet challenges before they arise. That is a fair summary.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

It is best to leave that to local authorities, which are best placed to make decisions for their own areas. As I have said, I know that many local authorities already proactively take that approach by prioritising housing for care leavers. I said in my response to Mr Rennie that I appreciate that there is inconsistency. Again, that is something that I will raise and discuss with the Cabinet Secretary for Housing.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Prioritising housing for care leavers does not necessarily have a cost attached to it. In fact, I would imagine that it would bring savings, because if that did not happen, there could be a breakdown in the person’s situation and they could come into contact with services. Therefore, I do not know whether that is an appropriate stance to take.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Sorry?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Sorry, Mr Rennie. You mentioned funding—what else?