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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 January 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

No. There were just a number of considerations that had to be gone through in relation to what was going to be in the bill. There were tight timescales involved. As I said, those timescales did not allow for consultation on those points.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

That wraparound support and the provision of holistic, person-centred approaches to the needs of children and young people is important. I know that some local authorities are doing that very well. This is not about calling out any specific local authority—some local authorities excel in some areas and some in others. Mr Adam hits the nail on the head: it is about sharing best practice. Sometimes, local authorities—rightly so, given the pressures that they are under—think that policy changes or thinking about different ways of doing things can be extremely complex. I know that, because I have been in the room when it has happened. Sometimes, sharing information, abilities and different ways of doing things can have huge benefits.

We are talking about inconsistency here. I come back to how we measure and track the progress that is going on and really understand and home in on the areas where we need to see improvements. Equally, there must be a level of responsibility—I do not want anyone to get offended if the Government approaches them and looks to support and enhance specific aspects. We all want to do better and make improvements, so taking responsibility and thinking, “Yes, we can do better” is really important. I am sorry—I went off track there.

In relation to understanding what is going on across the country, we have “The Promise Story of Progress” and on-going work to understand, and gather more data on, what is happening. That provides and will provide a clearer view and understanding of what is happening and will allow us to proactively approach areas where we think that support could be enhanced or things could be improved.

There was a lot in there—I hope that that speaks to the questions that you have asked.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

If I could just be clear, I have heard the concerns, I appreciate the challenges with using old data, and I would like to explore further ways in which we can refine our approach and find more up-to-date figures.

I am sorry, but I was asking Gavin to speak to how we are going about that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

We have been clear that we have tried to draft the bill and the provisions in line with the UNCRC as much as possible. There have been complexities in relation to two areas, which have already been gone through by officials.

Despite those two areas not falling into compatibility with the UNCRC, there are still safeguards and protections in place for children in relation to those areas, and those aspects of the bill are still being produced in line with the UNCRC.

I have said that I am taking the concerns seriously and I am looking to get further advice. I appreciate that that is not a final point for the committee report, but I have been clear that I am open to moving further on this if that is what the legal advice tells me that I can do.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I have a range of people who I have to discuss aspects of the bill with, and I discuss this on a fairly regular basis with the—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I think that it is a case of one side says one thing and one side says another—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I take responsibility for the leadership of it at the moment, but decisions were made prior to my time in the ministerial role, and decisions will be made following my time in the role. At the moment, I absolutely take responsibility, and I lead from the front, as the Scottish Government minister with responsibility for the Promise, but, at the end of the day, I do not know whether we can make one person accountable for delivery of the Promise, given the various efforts and different people who are involved. However, there is room for further accountability, not just from a local authority perspective, but from the point of view of all our delivery partners, agencies and organisations that are involved in delivering the Promise.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

At the moment, I am fairly content with where we are in the bill; after all, I introduced it. Tom McNamara has rightly explained the situations in which the single-member panel would be called on as well as the safeguards to ensure that we can be confident in the system. If Ms Duncan-Glancy has specific thoughts about what she believes should be in the bill, I would be happy to discuss them ahead of stage 2.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I have requested further information, which I assume will be coming.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I reiterate my comments that I was disappointed to hear and read the response from Social Work Scotland, because, again, I know that my officials engage frequently. In fact, I met with Social Work Scotland last week; I wanted to directly discuss its concerns.