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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 January 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Mr Briggs can correct me if I have picked up his question wrongly but, at the moment, I am not considering any further amendments in relation to housing under the Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill. Amendments to the Housing (Scotland) Bill were passed that will impact on care-experienced young people, such as the duty to ask and act. That is not to say that this is a closed book, in that work is on-going in relation to the recommendations in “Improving Care Leavers Housing Pathways”. That continues to be a priority, despite it not necessarily being in the bill before us.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

No. It would lead to duplication and unnecessary complexity if we were to do so. However, I have heard the concerns that have been raised. I am committed to UNCRC and I am getting advice on it, so if I find a way forward that combats those issues, I will act on it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

That highlights the importance of advocacy and the question of who would be there to support the child. The offer of advocacy will now be made at an earlier point. The provisions will open up opportunities to streamline the system to make it more effective for children and young people. I can certainly consider ways to avoid those concerns from arising. Perhaps, if it is a fear among children and young people, we can try to appease them. However, I believe that the provisions will have more benefits than negative impacts.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Data suggests that the position is a little bit more nuanced than that. I do not think that you can necessarily say, “The public sector sits here, and the private sector sits over there, and over there is better.” Again, it needs to be seen on a case-by-case basis, and we really need to delve into that a little further.

As for the work that is under way, I might bring in Gavin Henderson to respond to the more specific points that you have raised, but, as I have said, there is a clear ambition to remove profit—or excessive profit—from the system. Likewise, similar efforts with the same aims are going on across the UK, and we will work with our counterparts to explore the challenges and complexities arising in those systems.

Gavin, can you speak to some of the points that Mr Mason has raised?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

That is exactly what I am receiving advice about. Ms Duncan-Glancy knows that I am more than happy to discuss different aspects of the bill. I am more than happy to continue conversations around that point specifically, once I have received fuller advice in relation to amendments for stage 2.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

North Yorkshire is not a country, whereas we are delivering legislation that is Scotland-wide. We provide the powers for local authorities to be able to enhance their support further if they wish to do so, which is the decision that North Yorkshire Council has very admirably taken. I am more than happy to look into its successes. However, I point to the differences: we are speaking about passing legislation on a countrywide basis, which is different from a local authority taking the decision to further enhance the support.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I have the number 147 in my head, but that might be a different consultation—I am dealing with five at the moment. We will follow that up. I am pretty sure that I can confirm that it is definitely not 1,000.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Yes. I am talking about what would have happened if we had chosen to consult prior to the introduction. There is a timescale involved in arranging consultations, then consulting and then carrying out the analysis that has to follow.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

The decisions were not taken at the same time. As I said, I had to consider a range of factors in relation to what would be in the bill and the appropriate timescales for those. I am very clear that the timescales would not have allowed for a consultation to have been undertaken prior to the introduction of the bill.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I am not necessarily going to put yeses or nos on the record in response to these questions, because, as Ms Duncan-Glancy will be aware, I will be receiving advice on what are complex matters. Therefore, I do not want to say yes or no, because a range of different circumstances and complexities could be involved that could mean that that might be okay sometimes, and sometimes not. If we want to get into a fuller discussion on these matters, it will be much more helpful if we take it out of the committee space and if I can, as I have committed to doing, discuss amendments with all members ahead of stage 2.