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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

We know how important childminding is to our overall offering of childcare for families. Childminding offers a unique, flexible—as we have discussed this morning—in-home childcare offering. We have worked with the Scottish Childminding Association to undertake a programme to recruit more and support more childminders. That is now in year 2, backed by investment from the Scottish Government, and it is proving popular.

I will perhaps bring in Andrew Watson in a second, because I cannot remember how many local authorities are involved in the programme, but I know that, so far, there has been interest from more than 200 childminders.

I am sure that the committee is aware of some of the pressures that a number of childminders face and some of the difficulties in recruiting and retaining childminders. Therefore, as well as that programme being established to ensure that there is flexibility and quality for families accessing childcare, it is also very important to look at some of the different ways of supporting childminders. That could be with time off the floor to complete paperwork or for mentoring.

A number of actions are being taken. As I said, the programme is in its second year. We are seeing extremely positive impacts, and I feel positive about where it is going.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

The increase in ENICs is an extremely difficult issue for the childcare sector. The committee will be aware that UK Government consequentials did not cover funding for the private, voluntary and independent sector. That is expected to add a substantial cost to providers, and representatives of the childcare sector have brought that issue to me directly. I am very disappointed that that decision was made. Across the nations, we are working hard to improve the situation for the childcare sector for families and providers—for those who are out there supporting our children and trying to give them the best start in life—and the increase in ENICs contributions is having huge consequences.

However, we are trying to provide support to the sector in a number of ways. I have already spoken about what we are doing for childminders, but we are supporting private providers in a number of ways as well. We will continue with the actions that we are taking, but, as Mr Kidd rightly pointed out, the increase in ENICs will have a big impact on providers.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Absolutely.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I probably cannot go into detail right now because, as Ms Duncan-Glancy would agree, safeguarding children is the most important thing. However, I hear what she says about providers who have been around for a long time potentially facing quite a bit of regulation. I am looking at the legislation and various approaches that we could take to try to strike a more balanced approach. Although I cannot give any more detail on that just now, I will be more than happy to share it with the committee once I have a bit more to say. I reassure Ms Duncan-Glancy that I have heard about the issue directly from a number of school-age childcare providers when I have been out on visits to them, and I am actively working on it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

We discussed the bill at length the last time that I was at the committee, and I am aware that Liz Smith is here and may want to discuss it during her questioning.

I have been clear about the Government’s position, our support for outdoor education in all its forms and our support of the principles in relation to outdoor education. However, there are very clear concerns about not just affordability but equity of provision as well as the workforce implications. I have been having productive conversations with Ms Smith in person and via correspondence about how she could amend the bill to combat some of the concerns that have been raised by the committee and the Government. I am also looking at non-legislative options that I have been discussing with members, and I am more than happy to discuss those with Mr Mason outside the committee.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I do not think that I can provide any more assurance. I have not given you a firm date, but I have said that I want the bill to be introduced prior to the summer recess.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

As I have said, I have given a very clear assurance about my priority in terms of introducing the bill—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Yes, I am looking into that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I am not really sure what more I can give you, Mr Ross, because some aspects of the bill—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I regularly meet colleagues on workforce issues, which obviously stretch across several ministerial portfolios. We are also taking a cross-Government approach through the Cabinet sub-committee on the Promise, and the issue has been discussed there, too.

I am actively involved in the discussions on the agency. It does not necessarily sit with me, but I have been keen to push the fact that I very much understand the need to improve, support and grow the workforce. I believe that the national social work agency is a key part of that. I have been very supportive of it, and we will continue to be involved in discussions on it.