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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 February 2026
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Neil Gray

I am very conscious of time. We have about half an hour left and quite a few colleagues to get through, so I ask that we be quick with questions and answers. It would be helpful if the witnesses could come in when they have something new to add, rather than reiterating points that have already been made.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Neil Gray

I have one final very brief question, which is predominantly to Keith Park. Do you believe that issues of eligibility, such as the 20m rule, will require reassessment on transfer? Could you give a reason for your thoughts on that, please?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Neil Gray

That is extremely helpful.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Neil Gray

Are there any colleagues in the virtual room with any information or input on that question?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Neil Gray

I can see that Bill Scott concurs with that.

Craig Smith, Frank McKillop, Keith Park, Trisha Hatt and Bill Scott, I thank you all for your time. Yours was insightful evidence that is helpful to our work on ADP. I wish you all a very merry Christmas.

That concludes the public part of this morning’s meeting. Next week, the committee will take evidence on the budget. I invite members to join the private session via the link provided.

11:18 Meeting continued in private until 11:41.  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Neil Gray

Conscious as I am of time, my final question is an area that we have not covered as yet. It is first for Richard Gass and it is about short-term assistance. The Scottish Fiscal Commission has made an assumption—with many caveats, it has to be said—that as many as 90 per cent of people in receipt of ADP could be accessing short-term assistance. Is that assuming that the changed assessment process in Scotland will continue to make the same award mistakes as the DWP makes with PIP? Do you share those concerns?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Neil Gray

Ed Pybus finally, please.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Neil Gray

I am pleased to say that we are joined by our second panel of witnesses. We have with us Craig Smith, senior policy and research officer for the Scottish Association for Mental Health; Frank McKillop, head of policy and research at Enable Scotland; Keith Park, policy, public affairs and campaigns manager at the MS Society Scotland; Trisha Hatt, Macmillan Cancer Support strategic partnership manager; and Bill Scott, senior policy adviser at Inclusion Scotland. Welcome to you all. We are very grateful for your presence.

We will turn immediately to questions, the first of which is from Jeremy Balfour.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Neil Gray

Richard, I presume that that applies to people being transferred to universal credit, as well as to PIP?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Neil Gray

Would you like to direct that question to any particular members of the panel, Marie?