Chamber and committees

I begin my remarks by making it clear that the Scottish Government has listened to stakeholders and members of the committee at stage 1 on the need to bring more clarity to the operation of the new duties and, in particular, the ask and act duty.

We have heard calls for more detail to be included in regulations and about the importance of guidance, and we will work closely with stakeholders and members of the committee to ensure that the content of both is fit for purpose.

I recognise why there is concern that, if prevention interventions are not successful, a person should be considered homeless and action should be taken. Amendment 1057 looks to amend section 32 of the Housing (Scotland) Act 1987 act so that, where steps that have been taken under proposed new subsection 2ZA to secure continuing or alternative accommodation do not provide the individual with accommodation after a prescribed period, the individual is automatically classed as homeless. A fixed timescale would have to be set by Scottish ministers via regulations, after which point every individual who is threatened with homelessness would be automatically classed as homeless.

However, that is already provided for in current legislation. There is no need for further application to be made if an individual becomes homeless having previously been threatened with homelessness. There is no way to provide one set period of time after which every individual who is threatened with homelessness should be treated as homeless; each case turns on its individual circumstances. However, I am happy to engage further with Mr Griffin if he continues to have concerns on that issue.

Local authorities need to act to ensure that accommodation remains available as part of their duty to prevent homelessness; if circumstances change in that regard, a homelessness assessment should be made. There is no need for an individual who is threatened with homelessness and has applied for homelessness assistance to make a further application for homelessness assistance once they become homeless.

Amendment 1036, in my name, makes a minor technical change to proposed new section 32(2C) of the Housing (Scotland) Act 1987, to clarify the duties of a legal authority under section 32.

Amendments 1092 and 1093 seek to ensure that a person who is threatened with homelessness is informed about the advice and assistance to be provided under section 32 of the 1987 act. I am sympathetic to Maggie Chapman’s intention behind the amendments, but they are unnecessary because, under proposed new section 32(2C) of the 1987 act, which the bill will insert, Scottish ministers will have the power to prescribe the types of advice and assistance that must be provided by the local authority and, under section 37 of the 1987 act, they have the power to produce guidance for local authorities. The new powers that my amendments 1042 and 1044 will confer may be used to require local authorities and other relevant bodies to take additional action in relation to those matters. Amendments 1092 and 1093 would create a confusing regulatory landscape alongside those powers, so I urge Ms Chapman not to move those amendments.

We have heard from stakeholders of their concerns that the right to review decisions by local authorities in relation to a person who is threatened with homelessness is not clear enough and needs to be extended to cover the new ask and act duties. We have taken action through amendment 1040 to clarify and extend that important right. We will work with the relevant bodies, through the provision of guidance, to ensure that the right to review works as intended.

More broadly, we have listened to stakeholders such as Crisis and have considered the recommendations of the committee’s stage 1 report that ask us to provide more detail in legislation about the operation of the ask and act duty.

Amendment 1094, in the name of Maggie Chapman, seeks to expand the right to review, which I have addressed through my amendment 1040. Amendment 1094 would duplicate what amendment 1040 does, so I ask Ms Chapman not to move it.

My amendments 1042 and 1044 will confer regulation-making powers to specify additional action to be taken by relevant bodies in relation to any person who is threatened with homelessness, including any action to be taken in relation to the assessment process and the provision of information. That will be an important and flexible way to achieve the level of detail that we have been asked to provide, through regulations that are developed in consultation with stakeholders.

Therefore, amendment 1095, in the name of Maggie Chapman, is not necessary. My amendments 1042 and 1044 will create a power for ministers to specify additional action that relevant bodies may take. That power is clarified in amendment 1044. All the issues that amendment 1095 attempts to address can be addressed by the powers that will be created by amendments 1042 and 1044.

Amendment 1018, in the name of Mr Balfour, seeks to do something similar to my amendments 1042 and 1044 but creates the risk of narrowing the duties that a relevant body must fulfil. The regulation-making power to be created by my amendments will enable Scottish ministers to specify additional action that a relevant body must take, over and above their general duty to take such action as they consider to be appropriate. Amendment 1018 also refers to a potential appeal to the First-tier Tribunal for Scotland, but no such appeal rights exist at present. The right to review is considered sufficient in that regard, and I add that the right to review was a key issue for Crisis during our engagement on potential amendments.

Amendment 1010, in the name of Mr Stewart, seeks to create a right to review the actions of every relevant body under the ask and act duties. My amendment 1040 simply seeks to extend an existing right to review the decisions of a local authority. Mr Stewart’s amendment would require new review processes to be created by the relevant bodies, which would require further consultation with them. Were such a right to be considered necessary, the power to prescribe additional actions that a relevant body must take would enable that to be introduced via regulations.

I briefly discussed that with Mr Stewart and said that I was happy to continue to engage with him on that point.

Amendment 1090, in the name of Mark Griffin, proposes to create a duty on the Scottish ministers to set out a statement of principles that would apply to the ask and act duties. I appreciate the intention behind the amendment, but there are very clear principles in the bill in relation to homelessness prevention. First, relevant bodies must take appropriate action to remove and minimise the threat of homelessness, and, secondly, that action must be taken when a body is informed or has reason to believe that a person might be homeless or threatened with homelessness. That makes it clear that the prevention of homelessness is everybody’s business and that those who are threatened with homelessness should get help earlier.

I am concerned that amendment 1090 would place a duty on the Scottish ministers that they cannot guarantee compliance with. Regulations that are subject to the affirmative procedure are not within the gift of the Scottish ministers—they are at the discretion of the Parliament. I note that some of the principles that are listed in the amendment paraphrase duties that are already placed on relevant bodies, such as those that state that relevant bodies must work together. A statement of principles could be set out in guidance under proposed new section 36D of the 1987 act, and guiding principles are clearly more suited to guidance than subordinate legislation.

I ask members to support my amendments 1036, 1040, 1042 and 1044, and I urge Mr Griffin not to press amendment 1057 or to move his other amendments in the group, and Ms Chapman, Mr Balfour and Mr Stewart not to move their amendments. If those amendments are moved, I ask members not to support them.

I will come back to that. The next sentence that I read out will cover that point.

Under section 32A of the Housing (Scotland) Act 1987, local authorities must already have regard to the best interests of children in fulfilling their duties under sections 31 and 32 of that act towards people who have dependent children and who are either homeless or threatened with homelessness. Section 32A also requires local authorities to ensure that accommodation provided for children in those circumstances is suitable for occupation by them.

As I have said, I am happy to engage with Mr Griffin and Ms Duncan-Glancy on how we might enforce that aspect. The Scottish Government’s code of guidance on homelessness guides local authorities on how to meet their duties relating to people who are threatened with or are experiencing homelessness. The code is clear that homelessness services should be offered on the basis of a thorough assessment of the household’s needs. Local authorities should also have regard to the Scottish Government’s guidance from 2011 on acting in the best interests of children who face homelessness.

We expect relevant bodies to meet their existing legal duties relating to children as part of the delivery of new homelessness prevention duties. We have worked constructively with MSPs and stakeholders to strengthen the bill and ensure that the homelessness prevention measures are as robust as possible, so that they can protect all children in households.

I will take Roz McCall and then Pam Duncan-Glancy.

I am happy to engage with Mr Balfour—that is all that I was going to add.

Amendment 1015A, by agreement, withdrawn.

Amendment 1015, by agreement, withdrawn.

Amendment 1034 moved—[Kevin Stewart].

No. To come back to some of the points that we talked about in the consultation, it needs to be discussed further and I am happy to discuss that with Mr Griffin and Mr Simpson. The point that Mark Griffin made about the wraparound care is an important part of that.

I turn to amendment 1014, in the name of Alexander Stewart. I recognise the unique challenges that Gypsy and Traveller communities face. However, a duty to develop a separate strategy, as proposed in the amendment, risks us taking a piecemeal approach. The needs of different groups should be addressed through a better understanding in mainstream services. That is best done by updating the code of guidance on homelessness, informed by the lived experience of those groups and the stakeholders who work with them. Updates to existing guidance will be undertaken following the passage of the bill, and we will engage with Gypsy and Traveller communities to ensure that their needs are reflected. To come back to the point that Mr Simpson made, the updated code of guidance on homelessness is important.

The same argument applies to the proposal in amendment 1070, in the name of Ms Chapman. Those matters are better addressed in guidance to avoid a piecemeal approach to homelessness prevention.

I oppose amendment 1077. Ms Boyack and I engaged on the matter last night. At that time, we had not heard from the City of Edinburgh Council on the particular point, and we agreed that we would try to get more detail on it.

I will touch on the essence of my opposition and how I would advise members to vote on the amendment. Local authorities already have a record of those who make an application to be assessed as homeless or who are threatened with homelessness. That information is required to enable a local authority to comply with its statutory functions under the Housing (Scotland) Act 1987.

It is unclear what the purpose would be of a separate register maintained by the Scottish Government. The information would need to be collected for a specific purpose and used only for that purpose, in order to comply with the United Kingdom’s general data protection regulation. In the amendment, there is no stated purpose for the register and no powers to use the information contained in the register in any specific way. The register could not be a public one because it would contain sensitive personal information. It is therefore not clear why a register would be necessary.

For those reasons, I encourage members of the committee to oppose the amendment, which would serve no benefit to those who are homeless and could conflict with the Scottish ministers’ duties under data protection legislation. I ask Sarah Boyack not to press the amendment. As I said in our engagement last night, I will discuss the matter further with her.

I am sorry, convener, but I have not finished my speech.

I will. There is also a further statute that I will mention.

It is too early to say, at this stage, before we have the discussions. A key point is that, as I have laid out, statutes are already in place. Obviously, though, there are still issues with temporary accommodation, so we need to look at what we need to do to enforce the current legislation. I am happy to engage with Mr Griffin and others on that point. I am not going to say what will happen in relation to amendments between now and stage 3, before we have that discussion, but I am willing to have that engagement with Mr Griffin and others.