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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 31 December 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee (Virtual)

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 11 January 2022

Paul McLennan

Thank you.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee (Virtual)

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 11 January 2022

Paul McLennan

We have heard the discussion about whether there is a real-terms increase; I want to focus on the Covid pressures that all local authorities, including mine, still face. I asked Unison whether it has contacted the UK Government about Covid consequentials, which were in the previous year’s budget but are not there this year. I asked David Kennedy from COSLA about that in the middle of December. Has COSLA written to the UK Government to ask whether Covid consequentials or additional funding will come to the Scottish Government this year, given that there will certainly be Covid pressures in this financial year and probably beyond it?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee (Virtual)

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 11 January 2022

Paul McLennan

Good afternoon, cabinet secretaries. I will touch on the continuing impact of the Covid pandemic. Kate Forbes mentioned the discussion about Covid consequentials. I know that Shona Robison and the Deputy First Minister have raised that as well. What progress has been made in discussions with the UK Government about that? COSLA and Unison also raised it. Do we have an estimate for how much the situation has impacted on the budget?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee (Virtual)

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 11 January 2022

Paul McLennan

Has Unison contacted the UK Government about the consequentials that will come through? You have already touched on the role of local government in helping local communities. Is there anything else that you would like to add to that? Perhaps you could deal first with whether you have contacted the UK Government about the consequentials that come to the Scottish Government and then come down to local authorities.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee (Virtual)

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 11 January 2022

Paul McLennan

Thank you—that is appreciated.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 December 2021

Paul McLennan

I want to expand on what can be done to monitor the impact of the licensing scheme. You mentioned that it will be reviewed in 2023. Is there a format for the review? It is really important to review the scheme, but what will that look like?

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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 December 2021

Paul McLennan

I refer to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I am a serving councillor in East Lothian Council.

I will expand on Murdo Fraser’s questions. We have had indications that the average fee would be £436. Feedback that we got from some tourism body surveys appeared to indicate that many operators would leave the industry as a result of the licensing scheme because of the additional cost. Do you share that concern?

The majority of operators already comply with the safety standards. What are your thoughts on that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 December 2021

Paul McLennan

Would that information come back to the committee? Perhaps that is a process for the clerks. How would the Scottish Government take the review forward? Would there be transparency about what comes out of it?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 December 2021

Paul McLennan

It is safe to say that we have all listened to the sector extensively over a period of time, both through the committee and outwith it. For me, with a local authority background, there are a few key factors. Cost recovery is incredibly important. We need to take a view of the cost in terms of where we are in the pandemic and recovering from it. The committee has taken evidence around the costs and I am convinced by what I heard about the costs that have been mentioned. I think that £464 was the average cost that was mentioned in the business and regulatory impact assessment, and that would be proportional to the size of the business. That works out at £9 per week. That is the key thing, for me.

Like Mark Griffin, I was persuaded by the evidence from Police Scotland about fit and responsible people. That is important. The key thing, addressing a point that Fergus Ewing made, is that responsible operators have nothing to fear from the proposed scheme, and the vast majority of operators do operate responsibly. However, there are issues around people who do not do so, and we need to make sure that we drive up the standards of the sector. Again like Mark Griffin, I am reassured by the fact that there will be a review in 2023. That is why I asked that question. I am convinced by what the cabinet secretary said about the issue coming back in 2023, when this committee will have a look at it. Therefore, I will support the proposals that the cabinet secretary has put forward.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 December 2021

Paul McLennan

It would be useful if the methodology were shared with the committee.