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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Michelle Thomson

My last question concerns Brexit, which I know you have baked into numbers generally. For a period of time, it was difficult to disaggregate the data, given what was happening with wider geopolitical issues such as the energy crisis. My guess is that it is only the longer-run forecasts and the evidence therein that will start to show, or at least allow us to apportion some data to, the impact of Brexit. Am I right or wrong in that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Michelle Thomson

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Michelle Thomson

Good morning. I have just one question, which is related to inflation and, therefore, debt payments on PPI-type models. I have not heard a lot of talk about that. Obviously, various public sector bodies have seen massive increases in their repayments. Although we can take a view on what the OBR predicts about future inflation, I imagine that it will need to be considerably more cautious, in that when inflation goes down, it goes down. There is a clear link. Can you give me some more guidance on that? Also, what behavioural impacts—if any—will there be for finance executives in public sector organisations who are managing those greatly increased PPI payments?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Michelle Thomson

It sounds as though, collectively, we do not know a great deal about the data and the impact of it. It strikes me as quite interesting that, if we are looking at the longer-term trajectory, even though we all assume that inflation will come down—which I think is correct—we also agree that it will not come down to the historically low levels that we previously had. It strikes me that it would be interesting to work through the impact of that on a variety of public sector organisations. I realise that I do not know about the issue, so perhaps it is heartening that you do not, either—I do not know. Anyway, thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Michelle Thomson

In fairness, it might be; the issue might be my ignorance. If we have the data, we can start to interrogate what the impact could be, and how that plays into the real economy, which is why I am asking.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Michelle Thomson

That long-range looking back and the figures that you have set out are very helpful. I was not entirely clear from the autumn statement what the significant trigger factors would be that would make the change from what you have set out as the position over the past 15 years. In fairness, some of that is because of the lack of flexibility for all the areas that we have discussed, such as debt servicing and so on. Correct me if I am wrong and being somewhat pessimistic.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Revenue Scotland

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Michelle Thomson

To be honest, I would like to hear you say that you have definitive plans to get to an equitable split the next time that you have two people stepping down. The problem with the perception of meritocracy is that if women never get the chance, they never get the chance to demonstrate merit. We have had that cyclical problem for a long time and it is heavily pronounced in financial services. I am interested to know a bit more about your specific plans. Given where we are, what target do you aim to reach in two years’ time? Do you have a target?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Revenue Scotland

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Michelle Thomson

Do you have anything to add, Aidan?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Revenue Scotland

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Michelle Thomson

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. To pick up on a point that the convener made, I never have any difficulty finding the stats, because I simply search for the key item on my laptop. Such are the joys of digital technology, convener.

I want to pick up on cybersecurity and, in general, ask about your assessment of the challenges and opportunities brought about by artificial intelligence. One of the challenges is that, in general terms, none of us knows. Specifically, I would make the case that the public sector is not at the cutting edge. What assessment have you made of the advent of AI, and particularly the sensitivities around data that you have outlined? What challenges do you see, how are you addressing them and what are the opportunities?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Revenue Scotland

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Michelle Thomson

Thank you very much for that. You have identified the concerns with the process that will, thankfully, be picked up and we will carry on progressing it.

Perhaps I should have tagged my final question in with my first one. It is about where you are delegating responsibility. Although you remain accountable, responsibility lies elsewhere, such as with the Scottish Environment Protection Agency. Given what you outline in terms of protecting the integrity of your data and so on, how are you monitoring the risks of delegation? Will you talk me through that?