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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Michelle Thomson

One of the other areas of interest, which might already have been brought to your attention, is the use of the ScotWind money to fund day-to-day revenue expenditure. Professor Bell said:

“The ScotWind money can be thought of as equivalent to a sovereign wealth fund, and a sovereign wealth fund should be used to support future generations, because it is a sort of one-off payment.”—[Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 9 January 2024; c 14.]

What thinking did the Scottish Government give to that use of that money and the breaching, if you like, of the sovereign wealth fund principle? I know that we have often commented on what appears to be the UK Government’s arbitrary waste of money gained from oil that could have been used to the benefit of future generations. I would appreciate hearing more about the thinking that led you to consider, despite that, still spending it on day-to-day revenue.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Michelle Thomson

Just to put something on the record, at last week’s Education, Children and Young People Committee, Minister Graeme Dey pointed out that

“The starting point for colleges next year will be slightly better—only slightly better, I stress—than the finishing point for this year.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 10 January 2024; c 30.]

My first question, which is a kind of rapid-fire one, picks up on a point that you have just made, cabinet secretary. Have the Opposition parties put forward budget proposals this year for what they would like to be cut in what is a very difficult budget, as you have set out?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Michelle Thomson

I will move on to public sector reform. I have seen the phases that have been set out, but I am aware that the committee did not receive an accompanying financial strategy, which the former Deputy First Minister committed to in March 2023. Is the intention to provide an updated financial strategy at an appropriate point, once the early scoping phases are out of the way? If so, what timescales are you working to?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Post-school Education and Skills Reform

Meeting date: 10 January 2024

Michelle Thomson

That was a very helpful response. In your opening remarks, you alluded to who might have the best oversight of future requirements. One challenge is how we can correctly map today’s gaps against future needs. Can I make the assumption that, in reflecting on who has the best oversight of that, the focus will be on the future? That is where we need to get ahead of the pack as we go through the exercise.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Post-school Education and Skills Reform

Meeting date: 10 January 2024

Michelle Thomson

That is very helpful. You have illustrated the complexity of the matter.

The independent review of the skills delivery landscape highlights

“the importance of getting the structures and balance of responsibilities within the system right, alongside an agreed vision for success and a shared language.”

Although the report may say that, the mix of stakeholder groupings needs to be able to buy into it.

There are big key terms in that excerpt: “agreed vision for success”, “shared language”—presumably, there will need to be shared outcomes as well—and

“the structures and balance of responsibilities”.

I would appreciate hearing your thoughts about the approach that you are taking to pull that multiplicity of stakeholders together to achieve that.

09:45  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Post-school Education and Skills Reform

Meeting date: 10 January 2024

Michelle Thomson

I thank the minister for joining us. I fully appreciate the scale of the challenge that is in front of you. I appreciate that there are multiple stakeholders, but I first want to ask about how the enterprise agencies’ role in post-school education reform will work. What will their role be in relation to the interface with workforce planning, to ensure that we get the skills that we need for the future? What are your thoughts on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Post-school Education and Skills Reform

Meeting date: 10 January 2024

Michelle Thomson

Is it fair to characterise that approach as creating a new culture of engagement? You are describing a considerable amount of engagement, which is time consuming. I appreciate that. Are you consciously undertaking changing culture in your engagement?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Michelle Thomson

Thank you. I suspect that my colleague Liz Smith will want to come in on that, as I know that education is an area of interest to her.

Chris Birt, a so-called just transition and the challenges of getting to net zero affect socioeconomic groupings differently. Are you concerned that the cuts to some of the spending on the ambition to get to net zero and enabling a just transition will affect people who are most in poverty or might help to push people into poverty over the longer term? If so, what are those concerns?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Michelle Thomson

Would you have expected fiscal rules to be applied to that, in effect?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Michelle Thomson

Good morning, panel. I have a couple of areas that I want to explore, but I will start with one of the principles that the convener outlined, which is the focus on a greener and growing economy. We have thus far asked quite a lot of questions about the growing element, but I want to get some views on the greener element of it, perhaps in particular the low focus on capex and what impact that will have on net zero goals and just transition. In other words, to what extent will this budget enable the greener element as well as the growing element—because obviously we have supply chain considerations—and to what extent will it not?