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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Michelle Thomson

However, part of the scrutiny of the introduction of further taxes would be around the consideration of the detail and the complexity of offsetting with a further basket of taxes, would it not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Michelle Thomson

That is me. Everything else has been covered.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Michelle Thomson

I think that the Law Society said, “Yes, but other taxes might not align directly.” That is true, but I suppose that it cannot be beyond the wit of you and the Parliament to design legislation that takes account of that. Would a finance bill allow for the sort of scrutiny that you would want as you continue with the offsetting approach?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Michelle Thomson

Do Justine Riccomini or Eric Brown have any further comments about the principle, as opposed to its

enaction?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Michelle Thomson

What do you all think about establishing the offset of taxes as a principle? I accept what is being said about the relatively small number of Scottish taxes, but is there merit in the principle that one tax can be used to offset another, on the basis that we can anticipate further taxes being devolved in the future?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Michelle Thomson

How did I know that that comment was going to come up? Thank you, convener. [Laughter.]

I want to ask about a couple of interrelated areas. The previous panel expressed some concern about offset—or set-off, as I think you describe it—and called it heavy handed. The point that I made to them was that a principled approach is surely being established in anticipation of further taxes being devolved in order to ensure that, where people owe tax, we are able to claw it back. Am I correct in that assumption?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Michelle Thomson

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Michelle Thomson

Maybe it does. I am not trying to get to any slam dunk; I am genuinely trying to understand. You have given me more helpful insight, although I suspect that I have further to go to bottom out some of this stuff. Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Michelle Thomson

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Michelle Thomson

I will finish by noting some of the examples that you have given and pointing out that such additional post-Covid sums were exceptional—I think that we all appreciate that. Now that, with the recent changes, we have a more bedded-down fiscal framework, we have actually baked in some of these inefficiencies, and we need to try to understand what they might look like.

I have one other question that follows on from that. In reality, to what extent will the complexities, uncertainties and inefficiencies in the Scottish and UK Governments’ fiscal framework be reflected in the fiscal framework that is developed for local councils through the Verity house agreement? In other words, will they, at an even deeper level than might have been the case before, be saying, “This is no use to us, because it doesn’t allow us to plan”? Do you expect that what you as a Government are dealing with will, in effect, be replicated in that way?