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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Michelle Thomson

We have had commentary that that limits long-range forecasting in your budgeting. David Hamilton, if you want to come in next, you can reflect on that additional dimension.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Michelle Thomson

As you pointed out, change is time consuming and expensive in resource terms.

I am not forgetting you, Lorna, but can I bring in Ian Bruce? Do you have any further reflections on this area?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Michelle Thomson

Good morning. Thank you very much for attending today. I will start by following up on the theme of front-office and back-office functions, which the convener was probing.

You have described the budget process as being quite inefficient—I think that Brian Plastow, in particular, did. Are you able to quantify how many days you spend—we could say “waste”—going through the budget process? I understand that you start in September but you do not get the final consideration until much later. If you were to say, “We spend N days on it,” what would the number be—roughly—just as a matter of interest?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Michelle Thomson

I will follow that up with you before I bring the others in. Have you ever been approached by a representative of the Scottish Government to actively consider ways in which you can increase the sharing of back-office functions or to explore the further idea, which the convener was floating, of a shared service centre for the range of functions?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Michelle Thomson

Let me bring in Lorna Johnston. As you pointed out, you are in a slightly different circumstance, which I appreciate. In response to David Hamilton’s comment that it would be up to individual commissioners to look at making savings, a bit of me thinks, “Do turkeys generally vote for Christmas?” I am being a wee bit provocative, and I am sorry for picking on you, but could I have your reflections on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Michelle Thomson

Ian, do you have anything to add?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Michelle Thomson

If that were to be progressed, who do you anticipate would drive that narrative about being more efficient with shared services? I think there is a general sense that all of you—and, indeed, the other commissioner bodies—could do that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Michelle Thomson

I want to move on to an area that is of interest to the committee, which is scrutiny by MSPs as compared to scrutiny by and accountability to the SPCB. I know that the children’s commissioner recently appeared in front of the Education, Children and Young People Committee and some of you have referenced appearing in front of committees, but, in general terms, apart from this committee, have you had any strong sense from MSPs, as opposed to the SPCB, that they are particularly interested in the efficiency and effectiveness of what you do? How frequently do you appear in front of committees? How much are you given a grilling, which of course is entirely healthy? I do not know who wants to go first, but I would like to hear some honest reflections on that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Michelle Thomson

Does everyone else have a clear line of sight with the committee that they would be asked to appear in front of?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Michelle Thomson

Obviously, each of the commissioners and commissions is set up slightly differently and, therefore, each has its associated legislation. I am interested in the extent to which the success or outcome of a commission is directly correlated to the commissioner personality profile, rather than the legislative framework. I will direct that to you, David Hamilton. I think that most people would concede that we have seen a different approach from you. You have seized the initiative in some areas despite coming on board only relatively recently. Is that about you, or is it simply because it allows for that? What do you put it down to? I am thinking about outcomes here.