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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

I referred to the corporate body because its members bear personal liability. How much do you think that has affected their actions? Do you think that, if you bore personal liability, you might have acted as quickly as the corporate body?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

—so do you not think that you should maybe question that advice? You are being told that you should wait for advice, and now you have two concrete threats of legal action. Does that not worry you a wee bit?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

Okay. We will wait and see.

I want to ask about the Supreme Court judgment. Obviously, the civil service operates under its four key values, particularly integrity and honesty. I am flabbergasted that, 10 weeks after the Supreme Court judgment, you are not implementing the law. Why is that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

That is contrary to what Baroness Falkner says:

“We have been clear in our public messaging and in direct conversations with duty-bearers, including the Scottish Government, that they should not wait for our guidance but should be seeking to update their policies and practices in the light of the new understanding of the law”.

The EHRC is quite clear that you should not be doing that, and it has emphasised that fact. It is clear that the EHRC has stated that to you, so why are you not doing what it says you should be doing?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

How will compliance be measured?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

Do you think that that is slightly optimistic, given that most people will have personal devices as well? If what you are describing is advisory, there is nothing to stop them using their personal devices to carry on transacting Government business.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

You alluded to the span of control, in effect. Do you know the rough ratio of that? Is it one to one?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

You are in charge. Is this your advice? Who is giving that advice?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

So, your action at the moment is talking about it. Why, then, has the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body unanimously agreed to act with haste to take account of the law? How was it able to do that, and to what extent is that linked to the fact that it bears personal liability if it does not do so?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

What actions have you taken, beyond talking about taking action? I am not clear about that, because I have not seen any. The wording from every minister and cabinet secretary is to the effect that, “We’re not doing anything beyond talking”—that is from the short-life working group—and, “We’re waiting for the guidance.” Baroness Falkner is quite clear that you do not need to wait for that. Set out what specific actions you have already taken, beyond talking.

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