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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

I am sorry to interrupt. You have given a clear description of what the issue is about. You used the term “anomaly”. To draw you back to my question, I understand what you are talking about, but what I am trying to draw out is whether there are any risks to the Scottish Government of enabling the service concession approach. You have been clear that there will be no additional costs. I am trying to explore whether you have identified any additional risks.

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Deaths of John Yuill and Lamara Bell

Meeting date: 9 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

I thank the cabinet secretary for his statement and I add my voice to the heartfelt sympathy that has been expressed to those who were affected by the tragic deaths of Lamara and John.

I am encouraged that, following today’s statement, questions that remain unanswered may be explored further with a fatal accident inquiry. However, we must also consider the feelings of those who have been left behind because, for the family members, the loss is on-going. What range of victim support processes is in place for them?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Employment and Skills for Recovery

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

We cannot see Chris on the screen. Perhaps his connection has dropped out again.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Employment and Skills for Recovery

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

I have a last wee question for Nora Senior and a general question for everyone. I will run them together.

Nora Senior and I would agree that competitiveness in business is important. The recent Cumberford-Little report, which was commissioned by the Scottish Government, emphasised a shift towards excellence in skills rather than the focus on competence that we have at the moment. To what extent do you agree with those statements in the report?

What is SDS’s view on how to best keep the knowledge and skills of Government agencies current in the light of the huge global challenges and changes of Brexit and Covid and so on? Has SDS, for example, instigated its own programme of change for its skills base as we emerge from Brexit and Covid? Those are two separate areas, but I am aware of the time.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Employment and Skills for Recovery

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

I have a couple of questions for all the witnesses, which I will run together. First, I will pick up on Colin Beattie’s question regarding international skills. Has the Fraser of Allander Institute or Skills Development Scotland undertaken specific recent analysis comparing Scotland’s skills system to those of our major trading nations, as set out in “A Trading Nation—a plan for growing Scotland’s exports”? In other words, how do we know that Nora Senior’s comment that our skills system is looked on as “best in class” is true?

Secondly, I hold a personal view that international benchmarking is necessary for Scotland’s skills system. Do you agree with that personal view and, if not, why not?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Employment and Skills for Recovery

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

I think that you must have guessed the second area that I want to explore, because it is modern apprenticeships, funnily enough. I am looking at SDS’s most recent quarterly report on modern apprenticeships. Since joining the Parliament, I have been looking at the theme of the different consideration that is given to the role of women, whether in business or skills. I worked out that, comparing the first quarters of 2019-20 and 2021-22, there has been a decline in female enrolments from 47 per cent to 45 per cent. I then looked at the figures for my area, which is Falkirk, where there has been a more dramatic fall from 45 per cent to 35 per cent. That led me to consider what the gaps might be in how we are going about getting women enrolled. Does Chris Brodie or Lisa Pattoni have any thoughts about the reasons for that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Employment and Skills for Recovery

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

Does anyone else want to come in on those two questions?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Employment and Skills for Recovery

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

Thank you very much.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Employment and Skills for Recovery

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

They were long questions and I ran them together. I merely expressed a view that international benchmarking could be desirable, particularly thinking about Nora Senior’s comment about digital technologies and the threat of competition from digital technologies. We might choose not to benchmark internationally across every sector, but we have already discussed doing that in the emerging sectors. I just wanted to see whether, in principle, you agree with the view that international benchmarking is a good thing.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Employment and Skills for Recovery

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

Nora, I will pick up on Lisa Pattoni’s comment that employers drive the take-up of modern apprenticeships and that they therefore have a role in the figures that I outlined for female enrolments. We both encounter systemic issues in relation to the role of women in business and various other sectors; do you have any final reflections on that point before we move on?

You are on silent, Nora.