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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

Thank you. Mindful of the Finance and Public Administration Committee’s reputation for being the most exciting committee, I am going to take it up a level. This is a question for all three witnesses. One of the questions that everyone has been asked to submit on is how the Scottish Government budget should address the different impacts of the pandemic across a number of categories, including age and income. I wonder whether you might answer that question again, but with regard to the impact on women, given the concerns that have been highlighted about key workers and so on. I suspect that Linda Somerville will want to come in first here, but I am certainly interested in hearing other people’s thoughts on how the Scottish budget can address concerns with regard to women.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

Obviously, that raises the question of what you would cut to support such pay increases.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

Gail, do you want to close this out? How should the Scottish Government address issues specifically relating to women?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

Did you want to come in, Alan?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Employment and Skills for Recovery

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

They were long questions and I ran them together. I merely expressed a view that international benchmarking could be desirable, particularly thinking about Nora Senior’s comment about digital technologies and the threat of competition from digital technologies. We might choose not to benchmark internationally across every sector, but we have already discussed doing that in the emerging sectors. I just wanted to see whether, in principle, you agree with the view that international benchmarking is a good thing.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Employment and Skills for Recovery

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

Nora, I will pick up on Lisa Pattoni’s comment that employers drive the take-up of modern apprenticeships and that they therefore have a role in the figures that I outlined for female enrolments. We both encounter systemic issues in relation to the role of women in business and various other sectors; do you have any final reflections on that point before we move on?

You are on silent, Nora.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Employment and Skills for Recovery

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

I invite SDS to respond my last question, which I appreciate was a slightly cheeky one. I wanted to wind up the session with a bit of fun.

Chris, you are on silent.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Employment and Skills for Recovery

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

I have a couple of questions for all the witnesses, which I will run together. First, I will pick up on Colin Beattie’s question regarding international skills. Has the Fraser of Allander Institute or Skills Development Scotland undertaken specific recent analysis comparing Scotland’s skills system to those of our major trading nations, as set out in “A Trading Nation—a plan for growing Scotland’s exports”? In other words, how do we know that Nora Senior’s comment that our skills system is looked on as “best in class” is true?

Secondly, I hold a personal view that international benchmarking is necessary for Scotland’s skills system. Do you agree with that personal view and, if not, why not?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Employment and Skills for Recovery

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

I think that you must have guessed the second area that I want to explore, because it is modern apprenticeships, funnily enough. I am looking at SDS’s most recent quarterly report on modern apprenticeships. Since joining the Parliament, I have been looking at the theme of the different consideration that is given to the role of women, whether in business or skills. I worked out that, comparing the first quarters of 2019-20 and 2021-22, there has been a decline in female enrolments from 47 per cent to 45 per cent. I then looked at the figures for my area, which is Falkirk, where there has been a more dramatic fall from 45 per cent to 35 per cent. That led me to consider what the gaps might be in how we are going about getting women enrolled. Does Chris Brodie or Lisa Pattoni have any thoughts about the reasons for that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Employment and Skills for Recovery

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

Does anyone else want to come in on those two questions?