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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 January 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 11 May 2022

Michelle Thomson

Good morning everyone, and thank you for your submissions, which give the committee extra pause for thought. That may take us to what I see as the heart of the issue: we are trying to do something complex with multiple stakeholders, financial challenges and historical precedent.

The SPF’s submission correctly talks about the need for

“a clear vision of what a resilient town centre is”

and distinguishes between town and city. It talks a lot about Glasgow and Edinburgh. I would like each panellist to frame their vision of a resilient town centre, perhaps adding some colour and flavour to that and saying not only what it is and what it looks like but what it feels like for the disparate range of people who might use it. We should take cognisance of disabilities such as blindness, and we have heard comments about women who work in retail not feeling safe in town centres. I might be asking that deliberately because our panellists are all men. Forgive me for that.

I would like you to set out what you a resilient town centre looks like. I am sure that our session will then lead on to the problems of getting to that vision, and I will let others pick that up. Stephen Lewis, would you like to go first, as I have referred to your submission?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 11 May 2022

Michelle Thomson

I have a couple of comments. The committee has dealt favourably with the issue and is committed to receiving regular updates from Registers of Scotland. I agree with Fiona Hyslop’s comment about the seriousness of such issues, should they arise, and the impact that they have on people. That is not the same as wholesale problems happening at scale, which seems not to be the situation.

Therefore, I am in favour of closing the petition, but I am also strongly in favour of keeping a focus on the issue through regular attendance by Registers of Scotland at the committee. That is important.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 11 May 2022

Michelle Thomson

Thank you for that additional insight. I suspect that one of my colleagues will want to pick up on that, because it is an interesting thread. Does Adrian Watson have anything to add to what has been covered so far?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 11 May 2022

Michelle Thomson

That is okay.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 11 May 2022

Michelle Thomson

Thank you for that. You have given us a lot of the “what”, but the “how” will be the challenge.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Michelle Thomson

I will pick up on some of the general themes. You will appreciate that the inquiry is wide ranging, and I know that you listened to the earlier panel. One of our challenges is to produce recommendations that add real resonance and meaning. So, based on the earlier session, which I know that you listened to, and this one, what two top areas can you pick out in which we should recommend that something be done? That is rather generic, but the area is so wide ranging that it would help us pull it all together if we could get a couple of thoughts from off the top of your head. If we did one or two things, what should they be?

I would like everyone to answer that. Neil Francis, you are smiling, so I will come to you first.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Michelle Thomson

You have given us so many points. All that you have done is prompt further questions in me, but I will resist asking them as I am aware that other people want to comment. Siobhan, what are your top two things, if you can limit it to that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Michelle Thomson

You have spoken about women’s enterprise centres being at the heart of developing communities. I can see a virtual link with getting more women involved in e-commerce and what we want to do with encouraging science, technology, engineering and mathematics as we move down the generations. Are there any other ideas that would lend a shift to the systemic issues that we have with town planning? Most surveyors and traffic planners are men. It is perhaps a hard question, given that it is not your specialism.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Michelle Thomson

E-commerce, its enablers and the skills that are needed will be a big topic in the committee’s inquiry, and I suspect that other committee members will come in on that subject.

I will finish off the piece about women-led businesses. In addition to the areas that we have already highlighted, given that this is a generic inquiry into town centres, my second question is: do you have any other ideas about what we need to do to put women-led businesses at the heart of town centre redevelopment? I appreciate that that is a hard question, given that that is not your specialism, but I would like to hear other ideas before we move on.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Michelle Thomson

Thank you.