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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 September 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. You have started to touch on this already in the various comments that you have all made, but I am interested in your assessment of whether, if the bill is right, the money will come. There are elements that we are already doing—I am thinking about community asset transfer, and procurement has also been mentioned. Theoretically, the bill should enable additional things. I appreciate Oliver Escobar’s comment about local councils, although they have more borrowing powers than the Scottish Government does, because they have the prudential borrowing scheme.

Based on the experience that you all have, do you think that the bill, in and of itself, will help to facilitate clearer lines of sight on funding? Perhaps Councillor Forson might like to come in first, because Clackmannanshire Council has already been doing some of this work, so she will be acutely aware of the funding challenges that exist in the work that the council has under way.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

I will bring in Professor Escobar shortly. I completely agree that, arguably, our entire financial system is geared to the bigger, the clearer and the perception of less risk, which means that something needs to be tried and tested. That seems counterintuitive to some of the changes that could be effected at community level by the bill, but we are where we are.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

I keep promising to bring in Professor Escobar.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

I am interested in the culture. Mary Morgan, it was interesting that you said that, until you were preparing for this evidence session, you had not realised that there could be other, different types of inquiries. You thought that they were all judge led and statutory.

Rebecca McKee, from your perspective, how did we get here? It is as if everybody is a winner when people and politicians demand an inquiry—lawyers are happy because they make a lot of money, and the Government is happy because it has made the issue go away. However, it is a long time until we know whether the people who were greatly affected by the issue at hand are happy—that could be years down the line. Culturally, how on earth did we get to the point that we are at today, based on your work and the research you have been doing?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

Okay. My next question is for Rebecca McKee. Picking up on a point that my colleague John Mason focused on, I note that we have all said that we must be mindful of the cost. Where, if anywhere, is real pressure coming from to move it beyond being mindful of the cost? Is there any pressure? The House of Lords committee is looking at it, but I am thinking about what happens internally within Government.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

Do you agree that no other public sector project would incur expenditure of, potentially, £30 million with no governance whatsoever and no stage gating around costs?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

We can see how that would work for the law firms that are involved as part of the prevailing culture of how we do inquiries. Because they are done in that way, the law firms that are most likely to get the work are—guess what?—the ones that can claim previous experience, so it becomes self-perpetuating. Is that correct?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. We have talked a lot about costs and governance. My first question is for you, Mary, given that you have been involved in a multitude of things across the NHS in your role. Are you involved in any pieces of work that do not have any governance or properly monitor costs in the way that you have set out?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

We are aware that other bodies have looked at the running of inquiries. I mentioned the House of Lords earlier, but you mostly face into the Cabinet Office, as you said. From your perspective, is there an appetite on the part of the UK Government to look properly at this? Clearly, things are now completely out of hand. Is there an appetite to look to change it? That would potentially involve annoying some law firms that are on this pretty lucrative path.