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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michelle Thomson

You mentioned earlier, and I read in the stats, that more than 55 per cent of your employees are female, which is great. You also said that there is a very healthy gender balance at all levels. Do you have, or could you supply the committee with, a breakdown at all levels? I am particularly interested in the most senior levels.

I will make one last wee point. A wellbeing economy, which has a gendered lens as a focus, is, of course, a priority of the Scottish Government. I am aware of the time. You may want to give us some more flavour of how you are able to apply that, because it is obviously about so much more than simply the percentage of the gender split. We could start to look at procurement and so on. It depends on time, convener.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michelle Thomson

I am sorry—I have not been clear. I should have said quangos or third sector groups.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michelle Thomson

Permanent secretary, I will give you the opportunity to answer. During the decision-making process, how do you guard against the risk of policy capture?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michelle Thomson

But do you agree that it could represent a risk to decision making? If an organisation is receiving its funding from the Scottish Government, there is a risk that it will tell the Government what it wants to hear because the organisation fears for its funding line. Indeed, we had confirmation a couple of weeks ago from the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations that that can happen.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michelle Thomson

I have got that point. You correctly say that you will understand from a funding line where that represents a liability, but I am trying to explore where that represents a risk to quality decision making. How do you examine and assess that risk up front and therefore, critically, guard against policy capture?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michelle Thomson

Thank you. The general question—which, in fairness, I do not expect you to be able to answer today—is whether there is a possibility that some of those types of bodies that receive Scottish Government funding get more than 50 per cent of their income stream that way. In fairness to you, I do not expect you to know that data for every single organisation.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michelle Thomson

Okay, so my next question is where that would be declared by the Scottish Government and/or the civil service as a risk in terms of your decision making. I fully accept that it is a risk for the organisations, because of exactly what you highlighted, but it also represents a risk to both the civil service and the Scottish Government, if a number of bodies are receiving more than 50 per cent of their funding from you. Perhaps the permanent secretary would like to come in and say where in the institutional memory, if you like, that would be declared, understood and assessed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michelle Thomson

You have just commented on the volume of responses, rather than the quality. My point is that, in that significant volume, which I absolutely do not doubt, nobody at any point thought it that was appropriate to look at the impact on women who have been sexually assaulted—a huge percentage of women, as you will know—or raped, of having fully intact men in their safe spaces. That says to me that something was not right with the process, risk assessment and decision making. Do you accept that or am I missing something? Do you accept that, clearly, something was not quite right with the processes? It is not about volume of responses, it is about quality.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michelle Thomson

Permanent Secretary, do you have any final comments on that? Were you surprised at my comment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michelle Thomson

I was expecting the tradition of the convener going first to be in operation, but okay. We will just go in with the heavy brogues, then.

My question might well be for the cabinet secretary. I am interested in exploring whether any third sector groups obtain more than 50 per cent of their funding from the Scottish Government.