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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 September 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scottish National Investment Bank

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Michelle Thomson

I will come on to that. I am sorry to interrupt, but I want to square off my first question about your specific plans to get to equitability. I absolutely understand that the whole infrastructure of the financial sector has traditionally been heavily weighted in a certain way, but I imagine that you have a leadership role that means that you can effect positive change, given your guiding mission. Do you have specific plans to get to equitability, and, if so, over what timeframe do you plan to get there? I am happy for you to write to the committee if you do not have all that information available just now.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scottish National Investment Bank

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Michelle Thomson

I look forward to hearing more about that. I am happy for you to write to the committee, given that Al Denholm is new to his post, but I gently give you notice that I will ask exactly the same questions this time next year.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scottish National Investment Bank

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Michelle Thomson

When you are in front of us next year, will you therefore be able to provide input data and say, “We were there; now we are here”, confident in the knowledge that I will ask about it?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scottish National Investment Bank

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Michelle Thomson

Excellent.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scottish National Investment Bank

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Michelle Thomson

Thank you very much.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scottish National Investment Bank

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Michelle Thomson

Good morning. I want to explore three areas. The first is the equitability of the contribution of women, which is almost becoming a personal mission for me, having spent many years in various business roles and being up against all the barriers that we know about. As is my wont, I had a quick look at the bank’s distribution. I see that 42 per cent of board members, 33 per cent of executives and 28 per cent of investment leads are women. I do not know what the overall staff ratio is; perhaps you could enlighten me on that. What specific plans do you have to make things fair in that regard and to lead by example?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scottish National Investment Bank

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Michelle Thomson

Does that mean that you are as aware of these stats as I am and that you have internal targets to improve them so that you can see the positive outcomes of your encouragement?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Michelle Thomson

Sorry to interrupt but, if it is about complexity, what specific complexities are there for a council finance director function that merits having 32 of them? I can see how, according to a framework principle, every council will have different partners and different methods of payment, but the function itself is duplicated, and I do not understand why we need 32 of them.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Michelle Thomson

Good morning. This has been a very interesting discussion, and I think that you have fairly reflected the complexity of the matter at hand. I agree with the convener that your submission is excellent.

I have a question, however. I still do not understand why we do not have a shared services centre and why we need 32 different finance directorates and human resources departments across councils. I suppose that I would throw in legal services, too.

I can understand the complexities in creating shared functions in digital and estates, Argyll and Bute being a good example, and I could also mention procurement. However, the financial element in particular is fundamentally about accounting for money in, money out. My question to both of you, therefore, is: why have you not been considering creating a shared services centre for that as a simple way of bringing about public sector reform?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Michelle Thomson

I agree. I read that bit of your submission with interest. I agree with you that, clearly, a lot of work has been done on shared services, but I am specifically asking why the finance function is replicated across 32 councils. In some respects, the work that you have done is arguably more complex than creating a shared services centre. I do not understand why that has not been considered. Even if you think that it is not within your gift to consider that, do you think that it is something that should be mandated by the Government?