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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

Are you reassessing your legal advice just now, in the light of the number of cases that are coming out of public bodies, to ensure that the employment law element of it is absolutely on point? Are you actively doing that at the moment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

I see that there is clearly the potential for tension in relation to the elected role of ministers.

You will know that the civil service’s total operating costs have routinely been overspent by around 10 per cent in recent years. If ministers have limited potential to do something about that—it is a dialogue-type situation—but you retain ultimate accountability, that would seem to be a problem.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

I have questions relating to the Scottish Government’s responsibilities as an employer and potential exposure to costly legal action. It cannot have escaped your notice that quite a few—the list is piling up—public bodies are falling foul of overreach on gender self-identification, despite that not being the law.

I have a quick yes or no question first. I assume that you have overall responsibility for ensuring that the Scottish Government, as an employer, complies with the law.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

Is it in the public domain that the women’s development network allows men to self-identify as women?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

I have actual examples—I could perhaps help you if you cannot think of any. Might you be forgetting about changing rooms and toilets, Lesley, which you referenced? The trans and non-binary equality and inclusion policy, most recently re-issued in 2023, states that

“trans staff should choose to use the facilities they feel most comfortable with”—

in other words, that they self-identify into. Do you accept that that means that any facilities—for example, changing rooms and toilets—that are stated as being for women only in the Scottish Government are therefore, in practice, mixed sex?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

“OECD Review of the Scottish Fiscal Commission 2025”

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thank you for the report—I enjoyed it immensely.

I am genuinely pleased that the SFC got such a clean bill of health. During my time here, I have seen the very determined and deliberate attempts that it has made, particularly around increasing communication, so I celebrate it for that.

In some respects, it is almost like the SFC got the rap for our status quo, much of which we have touched on. I note that it is hard to teach somebody something when their job depends on their not understanding it. We see basic examples of that every year, with MSPs who do not understand why there is a need for contingency in a fixed budget. To what extent is your report a function of the fiscal framework in that there is a fixed budget and limited resource borrowing powers, and there is complexity in the fiscal framework? Would you concede a bit of sympathy for the SFC’s being in the firing line and agree that other actors have very clear roles to play?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

It would be useful to understand the relative weighting in the development of a multitude of EqIAs and how you assess that all protected characteristics are recognised.

I have a final question on a completely different area—before the convener interrupts me. There was quite a spat between you and the Scottish Information Commissioner over FOI 193/2024, which was to do with James Hamilton’s report. I want to assure myself about whether there were any other lingering issues that might come back to bite Joe Griffin in the future. In the light of all the outstanding freedom of information requests, if the Scottish Information Commissioner were here, would he describe himself as content with the status of all the FOIs before you move on from the Scottish Government?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

I just wanted to check, before you move on and Joe Griffin comes in, for his sake, that there are no stink bombs awaiting him in the form of outstanding actions from the Scottish Information Commissioner.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

That is useful to know.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thank you.