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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 September 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

How do you know that that will happen as a result of the bill?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

Even if there is a good prevailing wind and the guidance sets out how best practice should be shared, that will not, of itself, mean that any more money will be available, will it? The bill will simply suggest that things could be made marginally better through the sharing of best practice.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

Do you think, therefore, that we could come at the issue from the other end? Could we look at the financial mechanisms over which the Scottish Government can exert some control and see how those could be used effectively to assist community wealth building? Do you have a sense of whether we could flip the approach on its head in that way?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Grangemouth’s Industrial Future

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

I am not saying that Ineos would do that; I am only making the point that it could do so, because it has the power. There is more than one way to skin a cat and more than one way to stop a project. I am not claiming that it will do that or even that I see such an intention; I only recognise, for the sake of risk assessment, that it retains considerable power and could make the situation difficult.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Grangemouth’s Industrial Future

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

We know that we have an issue around retaining the skills cluster. Given the nature of the funding, which includes £25 million from the Scottish Government, that could perhaps be disaggregated in order to get some shorter-term projects in place—to get some runs on the board now, if you like. The £200 million from the UK Government, via the National Wealth Fund, will involve a much longer and more complex process, including due diligence.

How are you breaking down the nature of projects between short-term ones that might be about job retention just now—but with the ability to go to scale in the future—and longer-term projects? Are you actively considering that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Grangemouth’s Industrial Future

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

Perhaps Chris Bryceland can pick this up. We have discussed changing regulations in order to enable SAF, which other people might want to come in on. My point is that, as an attractor, a clear Scottish speciality chemical strategy is needed. I am not yet sufficiently clear about the specific Scottish strategy for speciality chemicals, compared with some of the wider stuff that is going on. If we get the approach right, the specialist chemicals, in and of themselves, will have significant potential to provide added value for all of Scotland.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

Would you expect there to be more mention of that in the bill? What the bill intends is great—I do not think that anybody is particularly objecting to it—but I am not hearing much dialogue about how you actually make it happen. We will probably start to derive a much clearer set of benefits by focusing on the how, and I feel as though there is a slight disconnect in that respect.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

Good morning, panel members, and thank you for joining us. There is a wider perspective on the bill than that which relates to procurement. I have a general question about how you see things changing in a range of areas that would help to direct moneys positively to enable some of the community wealth building activities that are under way. How will the bill help to firm that up?

A range of mechanisms could be used, some of which are probably already being used. I am thinking of community asset transfer, compulsory purchase orders, local sector pension funds or the entirely different route that is provided by SNIB. I accept what you said earlier in response to Daniel Johnson, but will anything change as a result of the bill that will get money into projects? Jackie Taylor, you mentioned the commercial aspects, so perhaps you or Jane Martin could offer some thoughts on that.

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Grangemouth’s Industrial Future

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. Throughout this mini-inquiry, our focus has been on the refinery, and now we are looking forward.

Jan Robertson, there is obviously a great deal of work going on at Scottish Enterprise. Certainly, I have had a large number of approaches, meetings and discussions on the matter, which I have referred on to Scottish Enterprise to triage. It would be useful if you could share what you can about the type and nature of the projects that are coming through. After that, I will have further questions. I appreciate equally well that there will be commercial sensitivities, but it would be useful to put on the record what you are able to say at this point.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Grangemouth’s Industrial Future

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

On that point, I will raise a question that has come up, which I asked Michael Shanks when he was before us. A lot of future activity is predicated on Ineos being a landlord of the site, which carries both opportunities and risks. You might well want to come in on this point, cabinet secretary. What is your assessment of the potential risks that any future projects will need to consider in order to work for Ineos—or, rather, not work against Ineos’s commercial interests? What consideration have you given to the risks of the considerable power that Ineos retains?