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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 January 2026
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Karen Adam

Good morning, and welcome to the second meeting in 2026 of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. We have received apologies from Paul O’Kane. Our only agenda item in public this morning is our first evidence session on our inquiry into neurodivergence. The inquiry was precipitated by the Scottish Government’s decision in 2024 to delay the introduction of a learning disabilities, autism and neurodivergence bill. We will be focusing on the experiences of neurodivergent people in education, employment and the criminal justice system.

We will hear from the Royal College of Psychiatrists, and we will then move to a round-table format to explore the key themes of the inquiry with autistic disabled people’s organisations and an attention deficit hyperactivity disorder—ADHD—organisation.

We begin with the Royal College of Psychiatrists in Scotland. I welcome to our meeting Dr Jim Crabb, policy lead, and Dr Leonie Boeing, child and adolescent mental health services psychiatrist and vice chair of the college’s child and adolescent faculty. You are both very welcome. Thank you for attending.

I refer members to papers 1 and 2. We will begin with questions. I will kick off the questioning, and I will come to you first, Dr Crabb. Will you summarise the background to your report and any key points in it?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Karen Adam

We now have questions from Tess White.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Karen Adam

That brings this part of the meeting to a close. I thank you for your evidence.

I suspend the meeting briefly to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

10:42

Meeting suspended.

10:48

On resuming—

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Karen Adam

I do not want to stifle the conversation, which has been really interesting and insightful, but, unfortunately, we have to keep to time. That is something that we have to be cognisant of. We have about seven or eight minutes left, and there is still a bit to go over. Please keep questions and answers as succinct as possible so that we can get through as much as possible.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Karen Adam

Thank you. Unfortunately, due to time constraints, we are coming down to the last bit of the meeting, but I really do not want to stifle the discussion. In the remaining time that we have available before we close, which is just a couple of minutes, are there any points that the witnesses would like to get across? Please make them as succinct as possible.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Karen Adam

Before we move on to questions from Tess White, Paul McLennan has a supplementary.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Karen Adam

Dr Crabb, is there a lack of awareness or understanding? Does there need to be sufficient training for people to spot how women with neurodivergence present to the world?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Karen Adam

We would all agree that having a diagnosis that is fit and proper would not be unhelpful to anyone. The data in regard to men and women is quite stark, so it is worth digging into the reasons for that difference. There should not be any shame involved in any diagnosis whatsoever, and finding out the reasons why someone has that diagnosis is helpful.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Karen Adam

We are coming to the end of our session. Please correct me if you disagree, but I think that we are living in a society in which people seek to understand themselves a bit better. It is a positive thing for people to be self-reflective and to question why they behave or think in particular ways.

We have spoken a lot about the individual and adjustments for the individual. If we think about yesteryear, perhaps there was always the same number of neurodivergent people, but there was not as much self-reflection. Maybe behaviours were shamed in the past. Many people were in health institutions, many ended up in prison, and many ended up isolated and tagged as the eccentric in the village.

We now have a greater understanding of that, so as well as supporting the individual with adjustments, would it be better if we sought to take a whole-society approach that involved looking at how the world is created and set up for neurotypical individuals? Would it be better to take a bigger approach to ensure that society is set up for everyone and that adjustments do not have to be made all the time?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Karen Adam

I thank everybody so much for joining us today. This has been an incredibly helpful evidence session. The invitation is there: if things come to your mind after this meeting—things that you wish you had said or other contributions that you wish to make—the door is not closed, so please feel free to get in touch with the committee with anything else that you would like to add. For example, you had an example of a criminal justice system, Leo. It would be really helpful for the committee to get as full and rounded a picture as possible. Please do follow our inquiry over the next few weeks.

Thank you all once again. That concludes our business in public today, and I thank you all for your attendance. We will now move into private session to consider the remaining items on our agenda.

12:34

Meeting continued in private until 12:54.