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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 November 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 19 December 2022

Karen Adam

That is helpful. I acknowledge that it is hard to pin down the scale, but, if trans people could gain access to a gender recognition certificate more easily than they can now, would that be helpful with regard to our data overall?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 19 December 2022

Karen Adam

I will follow up on that in order to get some clarity on some of the points that you made. You said that you wished that you knew then what you know now, that some issues have come to light and that some organisations have spoken to you, but it is hard for me to get an understanding of where you are coming from. You gave the example of custody issues, but I have not heard an example or evidence that shows why there has been a change of opinion now. Do you have any examples that you could perhaps share with us?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 19 December 2022

Karen Adam

I have a follow-up question. When I asked Reem what had changed her opinion on certain aspects, she said that it was concerns that she was seeing from all over the world. I am trying to really get to the bones of this. Were they concerns with evidence to back them up, or was it solely because you were listening to concerns that you changed your mind?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 19 December 2022

Karen Adam

Good evening, Victor, and thank you for joining us. I will ask you a question about the evidence that you have gathered on this subject. What were some of the key findings that really stood out for you? That is a general question and might be quite broad, but pinning down a couple of the main issues would be really helpful.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 19 December 2022

Karen Adam

Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 19 December 2022

Karen Adam

Thank you for coming this evening, Reem.

In 2021, you joined with other UN mandated representatives to write to Bulgaria to ask it to make gender recognition a more simplified process based on self-identification. What changed your mind over the past year? Can you explain to us the evidence that prompted that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Karen Adam

That is really helpful. What you have said makes me think that it would be good to keep some documentation of the signs that a person uses. We had a wee document passed to us today that shows us some signs. I was just thinking that I sign my name by pointing to my cheek, because I have a dimple, but those things are quite individual even in families or households. We also have regional sign language—I talk mostly Doric BSL—so I completely get your point, and that has opened up another aspect.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Karen Adam

I thank the panel for coming along. Richy Edwards’s witness statement in particular was extremely powerful and really helpful. We cannot overestimate the power of lived experience in making and shaping law.

In determining how all this might fit with the criminal law in Scotland, you recommended criminalisation, which you have spoken about. How do you see that working in practice in relation to parents, medical professionals and faith leaders?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Karen Adam

That is really helpful—thank you.

I would like to add to my initial question. Dr Crowther, you spoke earlier about how we are still very much in a society where being cisgendered and heteronormative is seen as the default setting for human beings. It is quite hard for people to break through that narrative. Richy Edwards spoke about there being a ripple effect, which harms not only the individual concerned but the whole of society. If conversion practices were to be made a criminal offence, would it be helpful in changing such mindsets so that there could be good, positive ripple effects?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Karen Adam

That is helpful—thank you.