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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 January 2026
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Karen Adam

Again, I am cognisant of time. Our witnesses for our next panel are waiting. I will bring in Pam Gosal and then Tess White.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Karen Adam

Can I interject here?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Karen Adam

It is for the committee to decide. Absolutely.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Karen Adam

Before we head to Marie McNair for her questions, I remind members and witnesses to be cognisant of the time. We have gone over time a bit, but I want to give everybody the opportunity to ask their questions in full as much as possible.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Karen Adam

Welcome back. We will now move on to our second panel, and I welcome to the meeting Kaukab Stewart, Minister for Equalities. The minister is accompanied by Nick Bland, deputy director for mainstreaming and inclusion and Vuyi Stutley, solicitor from the Scottish Government’s legal directorate. You are all welcome and I thank you for attending the meeting.

I invite the minister to make an opening statement before we move on to questions from the committee.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Karen Adam

Yes.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Karen Adam

Are you content with that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Karen Adam

Thank you. Minister, on the point about delivering on PSED aims, the committee heard that there is an overemphasis on processes rather than an emphasis on outcomes. How can the Scottish Government monitor whether public bodies will concentrate more on outcomes in future?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Karen Adam

Thank you, minister. We will move to questions from members. I give a reminder that we need to be cognisant of the time. We have 60 minutes for this session, and I would be grateful if we could pay attention to that, so that all members can ask their questions.

I will ask the first question. The committee found that the PSED is not delivering on its aims for improved outcomes for people with protected characteristics. Why do you think that is?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Karen Adam

There will be a division.

For

Gosal, Pam (West Scotland) (Con)
White, Tess (North East Scotland) (Con)

Against

Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
Chapman, Maggie (North East Scotland) (Green)
McLennan, Paul (East Lothian) (SNP)
McNair, Marie (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
O’Kane, Paul (West Scotland) (Lab)