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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 July 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Karen Adam

Fiona, do you want to come in?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Karen Adam

That brings our second panel to a close. Thank you, once again, for joining us this morning. We will now move into private session to discuss the remaining items on our agenda.

11:33 Meeting continued in private until 12:02.  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Karen Adam

Good morning, and welcome to the 13th meeting in 2025 of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. We have received apologies from Maggie Chapman and Paul O’Kane.

Our first agenda item is to continue evidence taking on our civil legal aid inquiry. The committee will be exploring what is working and what is not working in the current civil legal aid system and what changes could be made in the shorter and longer term to address issues about access to civil legal aid.

I refer members to papers 1 and 2, and I welcome the first of our two panels of witnesses this morning. Kevin Kane is the chief executive of Shared Parenting Scotland; Fiona McPhail is a lecturer in social justice at the University of Glasgow; Dr Marsha Scott is chief executive of Scottish Women’s Aid; and Sabir Zazai is chief executive of the Scottish Refugee Council. You are all very welcome.

We will move straight to questions, and I will kick off. Last week, we heard from witnesses about the general barriers to accessing civil legal assistance. I will ask each of you, in turn, the same question. What specific clients do you represent and what specific barriers do you see to their accessing civil legal aid assistance?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Karen Adam

We have a supplementary from Tess White.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Karen Adam

Tess White has a question.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Karen Adam

Thank you. I note, very politely, that we are almost halfway through our session and only one question has been asked. Therefore, I must ask that we be as succinct as possible. However, I recognise that this is an important subject, and there is a lot that witnesses would like to say.

We have heard that rurality has an impact and can create an additional barrier to access to justice. Would anyone like to discuss that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Karen Adam

Okay—thank you. I call Marie McNair.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Karen Adam

We welcome our second panel of witnesses. Professor Katie Boyle is chair of human rights law and social justice at the University of Strathclyde school of law, and Dr Ben Christman is legal director at the Environmental Rights Centre for Scotland. Thank you for attending today.

We will go straight into questions, and I will kick us off. Will you explain the accessible, affordable, timely and effective framework and the role that access to justice plays in supporting action on human rights breaches?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Karen Adam

Thank you. That brings our first session to a close, and I suspend the meeting briefly while we change over witnesses.

10:35 Meeting suspended.  

10:43 On resuming—  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Karen Adam

Would the witnesses like to say anything that they have not said so far?