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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 January 2026
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Two-child Cap

Meeting date: 15 January 2026

Marie McNair

Good morning. I thank the witnesses for their extremely helpful written submissions. As the evidence session is about the two-child limit, we owe it to those who are considering welfare policies in the future to acknowledge how abhorrent the two-child cap was and how it failed in its stated objectives.

I certainly put on record my thanks to everyone here for their determined campaign to scrap the two-child cap. There is no doubt in my mind that, without that campaign, the scrapping would not have happened. I also think that folk in Scotland who have had to experience the cap are very heartened by and thankful for your work.

How successful was the policy in meeting its objectives of influencing family sizes and encouraging folk into work? I will start with John Dickie.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Two-child Cap

Meeting date: 15 January 2026

Marie McNair

I see you nodding, Charis. Do you want to comment?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Two-child Cap

Meeting date: 15 January 2026

Marie McNair

Yes.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Two-child Cap

Meeting date: 15 January 2026

Marie McNair

Your submissions show that a need exists for urgent action on child poverty. The two-child policy is still impacting children.

I know that CPAG looked at how many children are being pulled out of poverty in the meantime. Can you comment further on your work?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Two-child Cap

Meeting date: 15 January 2026

Marie McNair

Yes—absolutely.

Hannah Randolph has spoken about the need for shared data. Housing benefit has been replaced with UC for housing costs, and better shaping is needed for that data to be shared between both Governments. Are you aware of any cases that are falling through the gaps?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Two-child Cap

Meeting date: 15 January 2026

Marie McNair

That is helpful. The Scottish Government is mitigating this poverty-inflicting policy through DHP. Despite our best efforts, families’ payments are still being capped if they do not claim DHP. Can you give examples of that, John?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Two-child Cap

Meeting date: 15 January 2026

Marie McNair

I am now talking about discretionary housing payments.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Two-child Cap

Meeting date: 15 January 2026

Marie McNair

My next question was going to be about awareness of DHPs, but you have covered that. We need to do some work with the Scottish Government to raise awareness and maximise take-up.

In the interests of time, I had better hand back to the convener.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Marie McNair

Thank you, convener, and good morning, panel. I wanted to ask about enforcement action, but that has mostly been covered.

As has already been mentioned, establishing and maintaining relationships and being able to provide support and guidance are so important; they are key to compliance. Am I right that enforcement would be a last resort and that you would continue to work with bodies first to save you going down the enforcement route? Are the majority of folk in public bodies and employers complying with their duties? Has enforcement action over the past five years decreased from year 1 to where we are now, in year 5?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Marie McNair

Would you mind sending in a written submission on that? I think it would be helpful to the committee to compare the past five years.