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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Jackie Dunbar

Would you not consider it a success, then, unless the bill went through? Sorry—I am not trying to put words in your mouth.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Jackie Dunbar

I was asking about just focusing on one type of outdoor learning, not about undermining others.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Jackie Dunbar

How do we ensure that every child gets the same experience? We have heard from some witnesses that schools from poorer areas could go in winter because it is cheaper, which I disagree with. If that was the case, that would mean that schools from different areas would have different experiences. How do we ensure that schools in every area get to choose whether they go in winter—if that is what they want to do, and not because of the price—or in summer?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Jackie Dunbar

At the meeting that we held, great concerns were raised.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Jackie Dunbar

I will leave it there, because I do not think that we will agree.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Jackie Dunbar

How do we compensate teachers for doing that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Jackie Dunbar

Have you spoken to the Government about what happens if the bill does not pass? Is there any non-legislative approach that you would like to see in those circumstances?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Jackie Dunbar

I agree that it would be good if what you said were to happen, but I have a concern that came out of the meeting that we held with teachers. We could be asking teachers to clock in at 9 o’clock on a Monday morning and not clock out until 5 o’clock on the Friday, and we would be asking them to volunteer that time. Not all teachers are able to do that. They want to be part of those experiences, but their family life or caring responsibilities might prevent them from doing that.

We heard from one teacher that there would be hidden costs. If a class was going to an outdoor centre, at least one additional teacher might be required to go with the class in case, for example, a child with additional support needs had to go home because they were not coping. There would be teachers who would be required to go, and there would be teachers who would be on call, so to speak. All those salaries would need to be paid for, but I do not see those costs in the financial memorandum.

How can we square that circle so that we can go forward with the concept that you are suggesting? I would love to go forward with it, but I am worried about how we will pay for it all.

Meeting of the Parliament [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Jackie Dunbar

How can we get the children who are not engaged to engage with us? I know that that is a very difficult question—and I am asking it through the chair, Presiding Officer.

Meeting of the Parliament

Portfolio Question Time

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Jackie Dunbar

I understand that, in colder months, additional strain and pressure on bed capacity are added to our healthcare services due to folk not being familiar with where they should access the most appropriate care in their individual circumstances. How is the Scottish Government working to ensure that folk receive the right care in the right place at the right time this winter?