Item 7 is about the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority. I welcome Howard Webber, the chief executive of the CICA, and Edward McKeown. Thank you for coming to the committee this morning. I know that you have travelled a long way to get here. I am sorry that we have kept you waiting, but we have had a busy agenda this morning.
I am happy to make an opening statement, which may dispose of some of your more basic questions. I will try to keep it to not much more than five minutes.
Your visit is timely if you are about to announce your freephone advice line. I had been going to ask you about structure, but my question has more or less been answered. Do members have any other points on which they feel they have not had answers?
We did not know about the helpline. Who will man it? Will it be a 24-hour helpline? Will it be charged at local rates? Is the information in the booklet?
The helpline will be free. I have most of the details in my head, but Edward McKeown has been masterminding the exercise, so he is probably better able to answer the question.
Our partner—an experienced call centre operator—will start the pilot. In due course we will decide whether to continue to do it jointly, to take it in-house or to leave it outside. In any case, we will probably leave the evenings bit outside. Initially, we are talking about 9 am until 8 pm on weekdays and 10 am to 6 pm on Saturdays. The Cabinet Office has produced work that suggests that the kind of service that we are offering—an information service—is not especially useful on a Sunday or late at night. However, we will monitor calls outwith the opening times and if there is a demand for the service later in the evening, we will offer it.
Who is responsible for informing victims of their eligibility for the scheme? Do they self-refer, or does someone suggest to them that they ought to apply?
As we understand it, no central requirement is placed on the police in Scotland to inform victims of their right to apply for compensation. In many respects, that is a pity; we would welcome such an obligation being placed on the police. I have no doubt that Victim Support Scotland would refer victims to us.
We take note of that.
Can you please explain the factors that are taken into account in determining whether someone is eligible to apply to the scheme? Can you also briefly explain to us the mechanism and process? Does one person receive an application and decide whether it is eligible or are applications referred to a managerial group that decides? What do you do and how do you do it?
Are you asking how we make decisions at our end?
Yes.
The main factors that influence eligibility are the severity of the injury and the way in which the injury was incurred. We must be satisfied that there was a crime of violence, that the applicant was the victim of that crime of violence and that their injury is sufficiently serious to meet the minimum compensation threshold. We are also required to take into account issues such as whether the applicant reported the crime promptly and co-operated with the police during the investigation or whether they were at all responsible for the incident in which they were injured. Whether the applicant provoked a fight or landed the first blow are relevant facts in reducing or withholding an award.
So, a sinner that hath repented would still be placed in a different category from other people?
It depends on how far they have repented. If their offences are spent, under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974, we totally disregard them. If they are still live under that act, they are taken into account in a graduated way. In our main guide to the scheme, which is a fairly technical document, we explain how we take account of people's unspent convictions. Someone with no serious criminal record could expect their award not to be affected much According to the scheme that we operate, if someone had a serious criminal record, that would have a major impact on their award.
I want to press you on that issue. Let us imagine that someone who served time two decades ago for a very serious crime, perhaps even murder, was the victim of a criminal assault and you judged the recompense for that assault to be above the £1,000 level—the first eligibility barrier. Would that person then be excluded from the scheme?
Probably yes, in general. However, we have discretion in all cases. If someone has served a prison term of more than 30 months, but more than 10 years have elapsed since the end of that sentence, that would count as five penalty points in our system, leading to no more than a 25 per cent reduction in compensation. I am not saying that the system is good or bad; it simply requires us to take account of people's criminal records. However, that is not an absolute rule. If someone were injured in the course of apprehending an offender, we would have the discretion to say that, despite their criminal record, they should receive a full award.
Five penalty points, but a gold star?
Yes, something like that.
That has been a point of controversy for some members, who will follow this debate with interest. Let us clarify the point about criminal records. If someone had a criminal record for a breach of the peace or a fairly minor offence, would they still incur penalty points if they sought criminal injuries compensation?
No. It depends not on the nature of the offence, but on the nature of the sentence. We make no judgments at all on the nature of the offence; we rely on the nature of the sentence. It would have to be a significant sentence to have any real effect on the award. For instance, nothing less than imprisonment would result in a reduction in the award, except a build-up of several fines, community service orders or similar community penalties. If an offence did not result in imprisonment, it would have no effect on the award.
Thank you.
Will you explain the interaction between the authority and other agencies in establishing the criteria? Have the criteria been met? What reports do you seek? Whom do you approach?
The people from whom it is crucial that we receive information are the police and medical authorities: those reports are the building blocks of just about every application. We send out a basic report form to the police, which may raise further questions that need to be followed up. The form asks about the circumstances of the incident, whether the applicant co-operated fully, whether anyone has been apprehended for the offence and whether a court case is pending. We will generally await the outcome of any court proceedings before reaching our decisions. The fact that we wait for the verdict of a trial is one of the main reasons for delay. The evidence that we receive from the medical authorities—usually a mixture of GPs, accident and emergency departments and specialists, if someone suffered the sort of injury that required specialist treatment—is also vital. Without the reports, we cannot reach our decisions.
In cases of sexual assault, there could be a delay in reporting the offences for a variety of reasons. I assume that discretion is exercised in such cases. From my previous employment in child and family social work, I know that there is an issue surrounding the evaluation of the sexual abuse of children and the determination of the long-term effects of such abuse. The scheme has often been criticised for not being responsive or detailed enough regarding abuse, although improvements have been made. I hope that those factors are taken fully into account and that, although you have a checklist of factors, an element of discretion is allowed.
We have relatively few absolute bars. However, in the case of the sexual abuse of children, if the offender and child were living under the same roof and the offence happened before 1979, we are unable to compensate for it. Beyond that, we have a lot of discretion. As you say, the time limit rules would not generally apply to cases in which the offence is sexual abuse of children. We would expect the victim to report the matter and apply for compensation within a reasonable period of their reaching adulthood—which could be up to 10 years, in certain cases.
Do you anticipate that, following the launch of your helpline and leaflet, there will be an increase in applications to the CICA? What provision will be made for that increase?
Such an increase is quite likely but not definite, so we will respond to it when the time comes. We will have to approach our sponsors, the Scottish Executive and the Home Office, for more staff if there is an increase.
Do you monitor or track where the people who apply to you but who have their applications rejected received their advice, if any? Does it come from voluntary groups, for example?
We have done some of that, but I confess that I have not broken down the information between Scotland and the rest of Great Britain.
I just wanted to know what the trend was.
People who are represented by solicitors—or by lawyers of any sort—are no more likely to receive an award than anyone else. The pattern of success among them is no greater than for other people. Applicants who are represented and supported by Victim Support are more likely to receive an award. I believe that that is largely because Victim Support—although it is not for it to tell people, "You shouldn't apply"—can gently advise people that their case is not likely to receive compensation.
I want to ask about regional variations. Have you noticed whether more claims tend to come from specific areas? Are some areas more litigious than others?
Not as such. However, we noticed—and the National Audit Office, when it reported on us, pointed out graphically—that the number of applications as a proportion of recorded incidents of violent crime varies greatly among different parts of Great Britain. Many of the police force areas in Scotland produce the lowest percentage. For example, for every 100 violent crimes reported in Grampian region, we received only 10 applications—although that figure is now a couple of years old. The figure might be 30, 40 or 50 for other police force areas.
That is interesting.
Much of what I was going to ask about has already been covered, including the profile of the CICA and the steps that it is taking to increase publicity. It has been mentioned that police forces in Scotland do not always let people know about the authority and the scheme. Would that affect the statistics, particularly the number of applications per reported crime?
It could do. I did not mean to say that the police do not tell victims about the authority; however there is no victims charter obligation on them in Scotland, as there is in England and Wales. That may have an effect on police practice, which might have a knock-on effect on applications to us.
Where did the initiative to publicise the scheme come from? Was it a direct result of the NAO report that was commissioned last year?
It was partly a result of that report. It is also something that my colleagues and I have been thinking of. We have been thinking that we would like to reach all people who are eligible to apply to us and feeling that we might be missing sections of the community.
Because of the time bar that applies in most cases—we have touched on exemptions—it is important that people know about the scheme.
Absolutely.
There have been occasions when people have fallen foul of the three-year rule, as I believe it to be.
That is now a two-year rule.
Those people may have met every other criterion, but did not know about the scheme.
No. Only a minority of applications are linked with the offender's being apprehended, let alone being tried, let alone being convicted. Apart from anything else, we operate on a different standard of proof. We do not need to establish anything beyond reasonable doubt; we just need to establish that it is more likely than not that the victim was indeed the innocent victim of a crime of violence.
So you operate on the basis of the burden of probability?
On the balance of probability, yes.
Before I ask about the tariff scheme, I want to know on whose initiative the time bar was dropped from three years to two.
I believe that that was in a Government white paper in 1993-94. I do not know whether Edward McKeown will be able to answer that. I do not know the reasoning for it. I have that white paper with me, so I could look up that information if you wish.
Yes—I am interested in that.
I am not sure about the reason but, in any case, it is not an absolute bar. If there is a good reason why the application comes in later than two years after the incident, we will exercise our discretion accordingly.
It can take a long time for people suffering from trauma to gather themselves together to go through such a process.
Absolutely.
If we had medical evidence to confirm that someone had been badly affected over that long period, we would certainly take that into account in deciding whether to waive the time limit.
How were the tariffs set? Who was consulted when the list with the types of injury, the levels of award and so on was compiled? Is there the same breakdown and analysis of mental health problems that may result from criminal injury as there is for other health problems? I looked at the tariffs and could not see any such analysis.
The original tariff, which was set out in draft form, I think at the end of 1993, was based on a fairly major exercise. That was well before my time but, as far as I know, a random third of the 60,000 cases that were settled in 1991-92, under the old scheme, were analysed for the award levels. From those 20,000 cases, the averages were calculated—the number of different types of injury and the average award level were identified. The tariff was derived from that exercise.
We are really trying to get at the principles just now.
I should have added that mental injuries were considered in the same way as physical injuries in that exercise—following the 1991-92 awards. We have had a range of awards for mental injury, from a basic shock award of £1,000 to an award for permanent post-traumatic stress disorder of £20,000. Those are the current tariff levels.
I am particularly interested in that area. If you lose a limb and cannot work because of it you are likely to be compensated more than you would be if you were suffering from what is described as post-traumatic shock.
If someone cannot work long term because of an injury, whether it is physical or mental, they would, generally speaking, receive the same amount of compensation for loss of earnings and for care costs if they were incapacitated to the same degree. The only difference would be in the tariff awards. Someone who lost a leg would get an award for that and someone who had a permanently disabling mental illness would get a £20,000 award. There might be some difference in the tariff level, but not for other things.
This is an interesting area, because it can often be difficult to evaluate mental health problems. Mental health problems can come and go, whereas if you lose a limb you lose a limb.
Yes.
I should say that there is scope to reopen a case. If someone's condition turns out to be a lot worse than it appeared when their case was originally settled, they can ask for the case to be medically reopened. We receive a fair few applications for that each year. If there is good evidence that their condition is worse than they thought and we thought at the time of settlement, we will consider it again and see whether a further award is justified.
I welcome that flexibility. However, there is an accusation that there is inflexibility in the tariff scheme in relation to victims of child abuse. The setting of tariffs means that such victims can receive less compensation under the tariff system than they might have received under the old Criminal Injuries Compensation Board. Do you agree?
It is possible. Any tariff system is, I guess, inherently less flexible than a common-law system, but it is also more transparent, so that people know what they can expect to receive, and more explicable. The awards were originally set by reference to what people would have received on average under the common-law system. Things may have come slightly adrift since then, because the tariff has not been increased in the way that civil law damages have increased. That is the only way in which there would be any difference between the two.
The last set of questions that I have follow on from Margo MacDonald's questions. They concern proposed changes to the tariff scheme, which has been mentioned. You will be familiar with the case of Lisa Potts, the nursery teacher who shielded children. She had 11 serious wounds but, under the system, received compensation for only three of them. How might the new scheme assist someone in that type of situation? Will it change?
There is no change that will allow us to compensate for more than three injuries. At the moment we are able to compensate for the three most serious injuries by paying 100 per cent of the tariff award for the most serious, 10 per cent of the tariff award for the second most serious and 5 per cent for the third. Those last two figures are going to be increased. We will continue to pay 100 per cent for the most serious award, but the intention is that the 10 per cent will be increased to 30 per cent and the 5 per cent will be increased to 15 per cent. Under the proposed increases, Lisa Potts would have received 30 per cent rather than 10 per cent for her second most serious injury, which was physical scarring, and 15 per cent rather than 5 per cent for her third most serious injury.
Having said that, would it be fair to say that, overall, the scheme is still quite inflexible?
Inflexible is one way of looking at it, but it is not the word that I would use. There are limits on what we can do: we cannot compensate for more than three injuries and there is nothing we can do to enable us to compensate for more than three injuries. Having said that, there will be some exceptions to that under the revised tariff. Some awards will be in addition to the three injuries. For instance, if a victim is infected with HIV-AIDS, they will receive a significant award for that in addition to any awards for other injuries. In general, however, we are limited to compensating for three injuries. To that extent, the system is inflexible, but it is also clear and certain. As I said at the outset, it remains the best funded scheme of its type in the world. That does not mean that it satisfies every applicant, but it is an important point.
The upper limit has been addressed in part. I am not sure of the logic behind having an upper limit, other than perhaps public expenditure reasons. If you went to the civil courts for a solution to a medical negligence claim, there would be no upper limit. As long as the upper limit remains, do you think that it will encourage people to seek redress in the courts under civil remedies?
Quite possibly, and I am not sure that I see anything wrong with that. When people apply to us they are applying to an organisation that is not remotely at fault and which uses taxpayers' money to express public sympathy for them. If they are pursuing the remedy through the courts, they are seeking remedy from the people who are responsible for whatever happened to them. In most cases, the individual who has injured them is a man or woman of straw and unable to provide much in the way of money. However, if such a person were able to pay out more than £500,000 as compensation for the injury that they inflicted, that is the person the victim should be going after.
Thank you. This has been a very interesting session. My deputy convener has suggested that, as you said that you have some literature with you, it might be useful for members to have copies. Do you have enough copies?
Yes.
She has also made the good suggestion that, given that you will have a higher profile and that your helpline is starting on Monday, you might want to give us enough literature so that other MSPs can provide that literature at their surgeries. Would that be possible?
Thank you for that suggestion. I shall ensure that we send copies to every MSP and MP. We had not thought about doing so, but we shall certainly do so now.
We shall have to digest the information that you have given us this morning and there are one or two points on which we may want to come back to you. How should we do that? You have come a long way today.
I am in Glasgow every couple of weeks, so it is very easy for me to come to Edinburgh.
So you would be able to come back if we so wished?
Certainly. I would be happy to.
That is helpful. Thank you to both of you for your evidence.
Now that we are off the record, who is doing your helpline?
Essentia.
I gather that you have some connection with that.
Oh, no.
I remind members that we are still meeting in public and that what we say is on the record. You can chat when I have closed the meeting.
Meeting closed at 12:38.
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