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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 October 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 25 September 2025

Jeremy Balfour

My concern is that we do not know whether it is value for money because Social Security Scotland does not know how much it costs. How do we know that it is value for money if Social Security Scotland does not know how much it costs to carry out this procedure?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 25 September 2025

Jeremy Balfour

That is not what I am asking. I am asking for a total cost, and my understanding from the cabinet secretary is that there is no cost. We cannot put a cost on how much it is costing Social Security Scotland to do these reviews—or are you saying that that information is available?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 25 September 2025

Jeremy Balfour

I am finished, convener.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 25 September 2025

Jeremy Balfour

Good morning, cabinet secretary, and to your team. I want to follow up on that question. I think I am right in saying—I am just looking to get this on the record—that, at the moment, we have no way of knowing the income of those who are in receipt of ADP, which I am, and what they are earning. Neither you nor the DWP holds that information—is that correct?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 25 September 2025

Jeremy Balfour

That was an excellent political answer.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 25 September 2025

Jeremy Balfour

We have heard some evidence over a period of time that a greater proportion of the Scottish child payment should perhaps be targeted at certain groups. For example, I think we had a submission that those who are aged zero to one might need more support than those who are slightly older. Have you done any more thinking about targeting the child payment at particular age groups or to address other factors?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 25 September 2025

Jeremy Balfour

I want to pursue one area. Mr Wallace is sitting here very quietly, so maybe he can help us out. As I said previously, thanks to Social Security Scotland, I transferred very smoothly from PIP to ADP. I got a letter a few weeks later saying the agency was going to carry out a review and then, a few weeks after that, I received an eight-page letter that simply said, “Has your condition changed, yes or no? Tick a box.” I asked you, cabinet secretary, how much that cost and we are told that Social Security Scotland does not keep that cost. It seems to me a very inefficient system if we are printing eight pages of a letter for something that could be done with a phone call or email or in some other way. If that is one cost that Social Security Scotland is incurring and we do not know how much it is, are we confident that the systems that we are using are efficient with money that could be used for other things?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 25 September 2025

Jeremy Balfour

Okay, that is helpful. I will move on.

The Scottish Government is introducing lots of new spending—investment, as you like to call it—which I think is good, such as the winter heating payments, the carer additional person payment and the two-child limit payment. You could have chosen other areas. Why, in your analysis, are those the areas where the money will be best invested in future?

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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 25 September 2025

Jeremy Balfour

If the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government came to you and said, “Here’s an extra £20 million, £40 million or £50 million that I have found under the couch”, what would be your next priorities for spending?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 25 September 2025

Jeremy Balfour

One of my personal frustrations is that none of us seems to be willing to talk about the difference between universal and targeted payments; it seems to be a subject that very few politicians want to talk about. How do you come to a view on which benefits should be universal and which benefits should be targeted? Is there any thinking, not only in the short term but in the longer term, on whether we have the balance right between universal and targeted benefits?