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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 January 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

The committee has previously discussed this issue. It is not clear what the agricultural reform route map is delivering or what the pathway is. We have heard about falling off a cliff; the road has certainly come to an end, because there has been no clear indication about the pathway.

This meeting comes in good time, given the budget statement yesterday. The NFUS said that the budget “falls short” of what is required to deliver food, climate and nature outcomes and that it

“essentially flatlines vital direct support”.

Is that one of the factors behind why the emissions decline has not continued and has flatlined? Are emission levels flatlining because the funding is not there to back up the decline, or is it more to do with policy confidence?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

This is my final question before we move on. Following the budget announcement yesterday, organisations such as Scottish Land & Estates have said that rural businesses, which are being asked to deliver climate and community outcomes, have been given “little confidence” by the flat line in the budget. Will the gap between policy expectations and on-farm outcomes narrow or increase as a result of the climate change plan and the effects of the budget? Will it get bigger or smaller?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

Thank you. We will move on to look at some of the policies in more detail, on which Emma Roddick has a question.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

I have a feeling that there is a lack of enthusiasm here. This discussion is really flat, which makes me think that everybody is sort of shrugging their shoulders. The draft climate change plan that we are scrutinising is an incredibly important document, because it could affect the pressures that will be on agriculture over the next 10 or 15 years. We have to report on the plan as a matter of urgency.

Alasdair Allan’s question is really important: it will be important to your members, because the Government sees agricultural reform as the most important driver for emissions reduction. I am getting a sense of “I really don’t know” from you guys. We have had 10 years at this.

I will ask you this question, Lorna. Do you and your members believe that the current programme before us is capable of delivering the scale of change that we need, and which the climate change plan sets out? We need to know more. The committee will have to pull together a report and, ultimately, in a few weeks’ time, we will have to vote on whether the climate change plan is fit for purpose. We have a climate crisis. We need to get a little bit more here. I am not being disrespectful, but you are shrugging your shoulders and saying, “Well, we are where we are. We are doing a bit of this and a bit of that.” This is a critical matter, however. We need to find out whether you believe that your members think that what we have in place here in the draft plan is capable of delivering what the Government expects of the industry.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

Emma Harper has a question that follows on from my questions.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

My feeling is that we have an agriculture bill that was passed last year and it is yet to be really implemented.

The Scottish Government’s flagship policy in that was to retain basic payments at 70 per cent. This year, however, that has been cut in real terms, so there is no additional support whatsoever for climate change or a just transition. The figure of 70 per cent of the total agriculture budget has dropped, and the support is not targeted. It would appear that, going forward, there will be a lot more stick than there will be carrot to encourage farmers to do the right things, which is concerning. The rural support plan will have to pull the rabbit out of the bag to allow the industry to deliver what the Government thinks is the primary driver for achieving our climate targets.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

You are arguing that we should be looking at the high production quality, the high animal welfare standards and the high food value of meat products produced in Scotland compared to those that might be produced in the countries that we will ultimately end up importing more from to meet demand. The fact is that demand for meat has not flatlined; it is declining, but not at the rate at which the CCC suggests that we should be reducing livestock production in Scotland.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

The next question comes from Tim Eagle.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

Who would like to kick off on that? Lorna?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

When you reduce fertiliser input, there is almost inevitably a reduction in output over the initial period. Over five or 10 years, in a lot of circumstances, the production will come back, due to improved soil health, but, in the short term, there will be a drop-off in output, which means a drop-off in income and profits. Given that we have a flat-line budget and that there has been a budget cut in real terms, is it achievable to expect farmers to reduce fertiliser without any support with the hit to their outputs in the short term?