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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 August 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Employment Rights Bill (UK Parliament Legislation)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

The group has quite broad representation. Martin Reid might want to talk a little more about it.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Employment Rights Bill (UK Parliament Legislation)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

I will add a little more detail. One thing to be aware of about unionisation levels across the sector—which we are keen to increase, because we see that as a means of improving the pay and terms and conditions for the workforce—is that, as well as being relatively low, with around 20 per cent of the workforce unionised, union membership is concentrated in local government employees. Do not misunderstand me: we are keen to listen to and work with unions, but a large part of the workforce is not represented by the unions, so we need to ensure that we capture the voice of that workforce.

Another thing that has disrupted progress, in a good way, during the past few months is the issue that I am here to talk about today—the Employment Rights Bill, which we have had to take time to examine. We have been working on that through a voluntary arrangement in Scotland. The Employment Rights Bill is going through the UK Parliament because what it covers is largely reserved. We have had to take time to take stock and have a look at that proposal, which we broadly welcome, which is why I am here today.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Employment Rights Bill (UK Parliament Legislation)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

The reason for focusing on commissioned services is that there are already arrangements in place for local authority employment.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Employment Rights Bill (UK Parliament Legislation)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

Largely, people can raise issues with the Care Inspectorate, and there are protections in place, so those discussions are confidential. The identity of the person who raises concerns does not have to be in the public domain.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Employment Rights Bill (UK Parliament Legislation)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

That troubleshooting mechanism was introduced because there were significant delays between our putting the money into the system for the uplift to the real living wage and people actually receiving the real living wage. That mechanism appears to have largely sorted the issue.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Employment Rights Bill (UK Parliament Legislation)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

The issue of geography is always challenging. In the Highlands, we have always been quite keen on virtual options for meeting, because the distances involved are vast, but that has become much more of a factor since the pandemic, and now people can go online to gather together, work together and network virtually in a way that was not commonplace a few years ago. Therefore, issues of geography should not prevent union membership.

On the hostility towards unions, it is important that we remind people of the benefits of union membership. That includes reminding employers of the benefits that their organisations will realise if their workforce has union representation, an effective voice and better terms, conditions and pay.

We have worked really hard to work in partnership with the sector, despite the low unionisation level, which exists for all sorts of reasons. However, we are pretty keen on unionisation in the sector. I see union membership and increasing unionisation of the workforce as being strongly beneficial to the workers and to the sector as a whole.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Employment Rights Bill (UK Parliament Legislation)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

To expand on that, the CCPS tends to represent not-for-profit providers and Scottish Care tends to represent private providers of varying sizes. Both organisations represent very large and very small organisations. It is complex to set up a sectoral bargaining organisation, especially as so many different parties are involved, including a large number of employers, COSLA, the Scottish Government and a variety of trade unions. The academic input has been crucial to unlocking the challenges that we face. We feel as though we are motoring and that we are pretty close to reaching an agreement; we just need to dot the i’s and cross the t’s on the sectoral bargaining proposal.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Employment Rights Bill (UK Parliament Legislation)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

They are not quite ready to be implemented. We are still trying to achieve consensus, but the evidence that the committee has taken has been absolutely correct: we have made massive progress and we are significantly ahead of other UK nations, because we have been working for many years on the voluntary sectoral bargaining tool.

I will let Martin Reid say more about the detail.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Employment Rights Bill (UK Parliament Legislation)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

My very first conversation with the unions was on exactly that topic. The language used varies round the table, and one of the first things that needs to be done is define that in your sector.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Employment Rights Bill (UK Parliament Legislation)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

Do you want to have a go at that, Martin?