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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 June 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Rona Mackay

I want to pick up on a point that Tracey McFall made, on which everyone seemed to agree. You all know what the problems are—they are long standing. Is it partly an organisational problem? Obviously, more money always helps, but is there an element of agencies not working together to secure pathways? Are there gaps in the system that could be cured by better organisation?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Rona Mackay

That is what I was trying to get at—

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Rona Mackay

I will ask my other questions later, convener, and let Pauline continue.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Rona Mackay

I think that everybody agrees on early intervention. Would anyone else like to comment on whether people with addiction problems should be in prison?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Rona Mackay

Good morning. I am wondering about the measure’s impact on the SCTS’s workload. I am thinking that it will not be huge, but is that being thought about?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Rona Mackay

Is there a timescale for when the measure could be fully operational?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Rona Mackay

It is almost as if you are punished for having an illness.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Rona Mackay

Okay, thank you—

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Rona Mackay

Tracey McFall’s point about the lack of parity between organisations is key to what we are talking about. As has been said, it can work and there are some success stories. Before I move on, I want to pick up a point with Kevin Neary. You have been doing excellent work with ex-offenders for years. On the basis of your experience over all the years that you have been doing that work, do you think that things are getting worse?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Rona Mackay

That is exactly the point that I was going to raise, but, just for context, before I come to that, HMP Low Moss, which is in my constituency has a recovery cafe onsite. It can see 200 prisoners engage in any given week. It says that there are pathways for external referral but a lack of available spaces, so it is kind of working, but we do not have the finished article.

Kevin Neary talked about women in prison, and I am incredibly worried about the number of women in prison and the knock-on effect on families. As Kevin said, most of the women—or a lot of them—have addiction problems and the majority of them have been domestically abused, sexually abused or have mental health conditions. In last week’s evidence session, Kirsten Horsburgh from the Scottish Drugs Forum said that she did not think that prison is the place for people with addiction problems, and I agree with her. She also said that there is definitely an argument for decriminalising drugs. What are your thoughts on her views? Can we reach a consensus on how to deal with this? The status quo is clearly not working, so we need a radical shift in the approach.