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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 November 2026
Ivan McKee
I will come on to that.
They are an exemplar of what we want to roll out more extensively as part of the public reform work.
You are absolutely right that those organisations should not have to take the steps that you identify when they come to the year end, so more stable funding is important. Part of the work that we are doing—and this is also set out in the PSR strategy—is to look at the grant funding schemes for third sector organisations. That is because there are too many; they are too complicated; and they are not necessarily integrated, because they are driven through silos within Government rather than being coherent across the piece. There is some work at the moment to understand what the grant-funding schemes are, how they can be better joined up and integrated, and how reporting and assessment within those schemes can be more effectively targeted so as to be less burdensome for third sector organisations and to give them more stability.
My final point is that when we are under budget pressure we are always in danger of looking to cut the things that are easiest to cut instead of protecting the things that are delivering the preventative and integrated agenda in a cost-effective way. The budget process must take its course, but recognising and prioritising the work that the third sector does across portfolios is really important.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 November 2026
Ivan McKee
Are you asking on what evidence we base decisions about where to allocate funding to the third sector?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 November 2026
Ivan McKee
Yes. That is one example. There are also many others. However, Ben Macpherson is right that it is important to join that up; otherwise, none of it will succeed.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 November 2026
Ivan McKee
There are a few things to say. First, I will get back to you on the specific numbers, but my understanding is that the figure for annual savings is £290 million and the figure that you provided relates to cumulative savings. That shows the value of that reform, which has freed up resources that can be applied to front-line services and so on.
Secondly, Mr Kerr has helpfully laid out a number of opportunities for doing things more effectively and efficiently and saving police time—and there are others that we are working on. That shows that, although the solutions to such issues often lie outside the justice system, if those issues are addressed in a system that is working as efficiently and effectively as it can be, with joined-up solutions, there is the opportunity for things to be delivered more efficiently. It is always true that there is more that can be delivered, and it is important to recognise that. I do not know whether that answer helps.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 November 2026
Ivan McKee
No, it is not possible. There are clearly issues. Given her responsibilities, the Deputy First Minister is better placed to answer that. Across the whole public sector, the Scottish Government’s ability to carry forward reserves year to year is severely limited at the top level. We have asked the UK Government for more scope to do that.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 November 2026
Ivan McKee
That all gets added up into—
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 November 2026
Ivan McKee
If you read the strategy, you will see that we are very clear about the important role of the third sector. We have workstreams that focus specifically on how the third sector can be given its proper place within the wider system.
It is important to recognise that both my job title and the work that we are taking forward use the words “public service reform” not “public sector reform”. That is done specifically to recognise the wider role of the third sector. We have individuals with third sector experience sitting on the public service reform board, which directs and drives the work that we are taking forward, and I meet frequently with representatives of the third sector. I am absolutely seized of the need for the third sector to take a critical role in delivering that activity.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 November 2026
Ivan McKee
We are working closely together and Mr Gray has outlined some of the interventions that can be helpful in that space.
The core principle is about joining up services so that the right people are in the right place at the right time to be able to—
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 November 2026
Ivan McKee
Specific steps are being taken, as Mr Gray has outlined, and I have seen other examples of joined-up working. It is important to put that in place to have an impact on that number.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 November 2026
Ivan McKee
You are right to say that it is complex. We will never get a perfect answer to this, because understanding the impact of a preventative intervention somewhere else in the system at a later point in time will always, by its nature, be complex. It is always going to be difficult to understand the impact of a third sector intervention before we make it and to be 100 per cent sure about that, but—