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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you. I have one final question. You spoke earlier about how you and your team have progressed the preparation of the bill, including the drafting, the evidence and the research. If the bill were to proceed to stage 2, would you be looking to engage with the Government to utilise its facilities for legal drafting, to get advice on competence and on all the other points that would need to be satisfied in order to produce an implementable and appropriate piece of legislation?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ben Macpherson

First, I reiterate what the convener said about how we all want to tackle domestic abuse in the communities that we represent and in our country as a whole. I commend you for undertaking work to try to improve the situation.

Of course, as a committee, our job is to scrutinise the proposed legislation and its potential impact. I am aware that you said in your opening remarks that your consideration of the bill began in 2022, soon after the 2021 election, and the bill was introduced in late 2024. Is that correct?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ben Macpherson

There was no formal meeting.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ben Macpherson

My first question was about enforcement and the role of the police. With decriminalisation, does the evidence from other jurisdictions point towards any increase in the number of people who sell engaging more with the police and feeling more empowered to speak up? Will you elaborate on that?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ben Macpherson

I was not insinuating that.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ben Macpherson

Just for clarity, I note the amount of engagement that you have had with relevant organisations and individuals. I appreciate that that has been thorough and appropriate engagement. It was engagement with Scottish Government ministers on the proposals in the bill that I was interested in. If you want to follow up on that with the committee, that would be useful.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ben Macpherson

When was that?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ben Macpherson

That was in 2024. Did you meet the previous justice secretary, Keith Brown?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ben Macpherson

I have a few further questions. In the policy memorandum, you cite the different jurisdictions to substantiate what you said earlier, which is helpful for Parliament.

Liam Kerr asked about the effect of criminalising the purchasing of sex. Will you say a bit more about the effect, as you see it, of decriminalising the sale of sex and any potential effect on enforcement?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you.