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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 2 October 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you all—that was very helpful.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Ben Macpherson

My question relates quite well to what has just been discussed. This issue has been directly mentioned and alluded to a number of times this morning, but is there anything more that you want to emphasise regarding concerns about the nature of the substances that are coming into the prison system now? There are synthetic substances that are often more dangerous and potent and in smaller amounts. We have heard a lot about that challenge in our evidence. Is there anything more that you would like to say about it?

Secondly, there was an interesting discussion just a few moments ago about the differences in service provision. One would expect that, due to health and social care partnerships being different in different parts of the country. One striking thing that we have heard in this inquiry is that it is actually a positive thing for there to be differentiation between services in the country, and that it is good to have a specific ability to provide certain services in certain places, both in prison and outwith it, in the community, to provide support for substance abuse and recovery.

However, are there any common gaps across the country that we should be aware of? As we went into the inquiry, my concern was that there might be gaps in certain places, given that there is differentiation without a consistent approach across the country. Is there any reassurance that the way that things are going right now is sufficient? That would be welcome. Alternatively, are there areas in which you think that X service should be delivered across the country but is not being delivered at the moment? I hope that that question makes sense.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Ben Macpherson

You have covered it. It was about how concerned you are about synthetic drugs now and in the future, whether there is anything positive to emphasise about differentiation of services within and outwith prisons, and whether there are any gaps.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you. Does anyone else want to come in?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Ben Macpherson

That should be done in the early stages, when they feel vulnerable. Again, overcrowding is a key factor.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Ben Macpherson

Do you feel that all of that could be more robust than it is right now?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Ben Macpherson

I appreciate that it is not simple.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Ben Macpherson

I have a question that was provoked by something that Dr Victoria Marland said earlier, but it also relates to things that other witnesses have said. You talked about the success of the photocopying initiative and you said that, because of its impact, there is now a trend of synthetic substances coming into prisons in powder form. Whether it would be appropriate to answer now or to follow up privately, it would be good to have an understanding of how that is happening. Is it through drone deliveries or other ways? How are substances in powder form entering the prison estate? If you would prefer to follow up by email, we will totally understand.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Ben Macpherson

I appreciate that that makes the situation even more challenging because of the impact of just a small amount of synthetic substance. Thanks for relaying that.