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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Willie Rennie

Your report last week was probably the clearest that you have been, but I think that you are still behind the curve, because other organisations have been warning about this in stark terms for some time now.

You are clearly not gonnae tell us today how many job losses and cuts in student numbers are needed, and how much more money will be required to avoid those job losses. I think that you will regret that, because you have statutory responsibilities—as you have set out—and because you have pulled your punches in previous years, and we have ended up in some difficulties as a result of that reluctance to be straight with Government and with the public about what is required.

If you are not going to tell us how many job losses there will be, by how much student numbers will be cut, and how much more money is required, will you at least tell us how urgent the situation is? When do you expect colleges and universities to start announcing plans for big changes? Are we talking weeks or months?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Willie Rennie

I do not want to interrupt you, but that is not what I said. Your colleagues sat here last time and were very reluctant to be very straight with Government. We got irritated by that, because we could see the cloud that was hanging over the sector, and you pulled back. I sought an assurance that, if you were not going to tell us publicly, you were at least saying privately that that was the case—I see your colleague nodding her head. You were not clear publicly before, so please do not say that you have been in alignment with Audit Scotland and with other institutions, because you have not been. You have been very reluctant to be straight and open about how dark the situation is.

Anyway, I am sorry—I should not interrupt.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Willie Rennie

Are you afraid to tell some of the bigger institutions that have relied on historical or current demand that they will lose credits? Is that stopping you from bringing in greater flexibility?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Willie Rennie

When we had representatives of the colleges before us, they talked with great enthusiasm about the flexible workforce development fund and the relationship with employers. They said, “This is fantastic.” However, when we asked, “What about the credit system?”, it went dead. They said that there was no innovation and no real incentive to discuss it with employers. I am paraphrasing, but they said, “We just got the money and we delivered what we have always delivered.” There was no enthusiasm. Surely, we have to get the credit system—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Willie Rennie

That sounds more positive than things have in recent weeks.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Willie Rennie

That concerns me. We have made a lot of mistakes throughout the process. We were unable to identify the problem in the first place. We are now on our third principal in a short space of time. Shane O’Neill was apparently the answer for a while and then he was not.

When will we get a proper grip of the University of Dundee and have clear communications with the public about what is happening so that they know that the institution has a future? Confidence went to rock bottom for a long time. I am pleased to hear that things are moving in the right direction, but tell me that you have a grip of the situation.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Willie Rennie

Is that not quite risky? We already saw the risk with the massive drop in the Nigerian currency in a very short order, which the university was unable to identify under previous leadership. Is going back into that market to bring stability to the university the smart thing to do?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Willie Rennie

So where else will the money come from?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Willie Rennie

I have been desperate for a clear strategy that unites the Government, the SFC and the university. Every time I ask questions, I get different stories from different people about what will happen, and I have had another story today. I am pleased that the relationship is better, but we need to have a fundamental understanding about what the rough plan is—I know that the detail will be worked on over the period. Is the plan new income? Is it job losses? Is it restructuring? What is it? I need to know that to have confidence that the people who are in charge know what they are doing, but, so far, I have not got that confidence—there are different stories in different places.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Willie Rennie

You have powers over the institution. Surely you are a major part of that plan.