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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 October 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Graham Hutchings, I know that you want to come in, but I will let Kevin Stewart ask his question first, as you might be able to answer the two together.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Graham, do not lean back. Does anyone want to come in?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Sebastian, you are on.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I hear what you are saying, and I guess that it brings us back to Graham Hutchings’s comment that SAF might not be suitable for smaller airlines that provide, say, island-hopping trips. My point, though, is that if they wanted to use it, they might not be able to get their hands on it, because British Airways might be buying it all, simply because it can and because the fuel might not be being produced locally. I think that we ought to consider that issue, too.

Thank you all very much. I have to say that I am disappointed to find that all those days that I spent as a child, looking at the patterns of the contrails across the sky, were actually spent looking at pollution.

It has been a very interesting session. I am also slightly concerned that we could distort things to the extent that it would be cheaper to fly to Australia on a long-haul flight than it would be to fly to Spain on a short-haul flight. That might affect a lot of people’s holidays.

Before we move into private session, I just want to put on record that, in line with standing orders, Monica Lennon, who is not here this morning, would not have been able to be present for the discussion on item 6, and that Sarah Boyack was to join us instead. That is because the discussion is going to be on Monica Lennon’s bill.

I thank our witnesses very much, and I am sorry for the slight problems that we had with broadcasting. We will now move into private session.

11:14 Meeting continued in private until 12:42.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Edward Mountain

It sounds as though it might take 100 years to get to the level that we need, which is 100 per cent, although I might have got that wrong.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Can I make a suggestion? I am sure that this is right, but broadcasting colleagues will correct me if I am wrong. Broadcasting will activate the witnesses’ microphones. If you try to activate them, you will deactivate what broadcasting colleagues are trying to achieve. I am sure that you were not doing that, Graham, but I say that just in case you were. In that way, we are giving broadcasting colleagues a chance to make sure that they have got it right.

You are live.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I do not like interrupting people, but Celeste Hicks’s time is quite short. I wonder whether we could move to questions from Mark Ruskell.

Mark, could you be mindful that Celeste is leaving at 10.25? I would like to put a question to her before she goes, so you cannot use up all the time between now and then with your questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Due to the shortness of time, I will ask a simple question. The message that I am getting is that we need to go quicker down this route, as aeroplane travel is one of the most difficult things to crack when it comes to reducing emissions. If we use more SAF, how much will that put on the price of an aeroplane ticket? Will it mean that people can no longer afford to fly and that therefore we will achieve the reductions in a different way? Is there a correlation between increasing use of SAF and ticket price? If SAF use goes up to 10 per cent, will aeroplane tickets go up by 10, 20 or 30 per cent?

Who would like to have a go at that? Celeste, you are leaving, but you are not going to get away without answering that, so you can start.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Mercedes, before I come to you, I will make an observation. I was looking at electricity prices the other day. If the average electricity bill is £880, for example, roughly £145 of it is used to pay green levies, which seems a huge amount. On that basis, in this context, we know that the price will be passed on to the end consumer, so certain people will be priced out of their trips. As Celeste rightly said, those people or businesses who can afford it will fly and everyone else will have to suffer. Have I got that wrong, Mercedes?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I am glad to report that you are. We can hear you loud and clear.