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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 October 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Michael Matheson

There is nothing else to finish on my line of questioning, but I want to pick up on the issue of pricing and the 3 to 12 percentage point increase that was mentioned. I presume that all of that cost does not have to go into the ticket. The airline could try to push some of it across its wider cost base, whether that involves its maintenance companies, service companies, terms and conditions of staff or airport operations. That is how some of the low-cost carriers operate. I presume that the cost could be dispersed in other ways, rather than being put straight on to tickets. Is that a fair assessment?

10:30  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Michael Matheson

Good morning. I want to turn to the potential for the production of SAF in Scotland. You will be aware of project willow, which identified two potential projects for SAF production in Grangemouth—project 6 and project 8. One was for HEFA and the other was for e-methanol and methanol to jet. Do you have a view on whether the proposals that are set out in project willow are realistic and deliverable within the timeframes that have been set?

In case you are not familiar with the timeframes, the timeframe for the HEFA project was 2032 and that for project 8, which is e-methanol and methanol to jet, was 2035. I was struck by Professor Maroto-Valer’s comment that the infrastructure at Grangemouth would allow us to do things more quickly, but those timeframes do not seem to be very short. What are your thoughts on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Michael Matheson

The timeline for HEFA is 2032 and the timeline for e-methanol and methanol to jet is 2035. Do you think that both of those timelines are ambitious?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Michael Matheson

I turn to the issue of the role that low-carbon hydrogen might play in supporting development of the SAF sector.

Graham Hutchings made specific reference to the issue of green and blue hydrogen and the way in which they are being used at the moment. Graham, can I get a bit more detail from you? How important will the low-carbon hydrogen sector be to the development of the SAF sector? [Interruption.]

Hold on—I cannot hear you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Michael Matheson

Mark Morrison, you have done some work for Scottish Enterprise in this area.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Michael Matheson

I want to go back to the point about the way in which the bill is currently drafted. If the bill sets a threshold for what the sector must achieve, that could incentivise the production of SAF close to the major airports, which would make it cheaper for the airlines to purchase SAF. Therefore, the development of SAF could be concentrated in areas around Manchester and London, to service Heathrow, Gatwick and Manchester airports. Is there a danger that that could act as a disincentive to invest in some of the projects that are highlighted in project willow, which would involve a significant level of capital expenditure? If the Government takes an approach that does not encourage greater use of SAF across all our airports in the UK, is that a risk?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Michael Matheson

That is helpful; thank you.

Is there a danger that the bill as drafted could act as a disincentive to capital investment in SAF production at Grangemouth? One investment might be £900 million, with the other project having up to £2.1 billion of capital expenditure, both at today’s prices.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Michael Matheson

No—that was helpful. I do not know whether anyone else wants to comment on the importance of the sector.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Michael Matheson

Good morning. It is important that, before introducing any provision that creates new criminal law, we are clear about the nature of the gap in the law that we are trying to address and how the new offence would operate in practice.

Given the definition of “ecocide” in the bill and how that relates to the 2014 act provisions, can you give me a practical example from the past 10 to 20 years of an offence that the existing regulatory framework in Scotland has been insufficient to deal with and regarding which this new criminal law would have enabled us to prosecute an individual or an organisation? I will come to you, Jamie, given your expertise in Scots law.

09:30  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Michael Matheson

Can you remind me of the circumstances of that example?