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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 June 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

Have you seen the minutes?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

I presume that there are Scottish Government documents that pertain to the First Minister’s engagement at that meeting—there must be.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

Can we have those to scrutinise?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

Is this SAFE that you are talking about? Is it the SPS agreement?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

The negotiating mandate?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

You rightly get exercised about the rights and powers of Parliament under the devolution settlement, but the problem with dynamic alignment is that it puts us into a worse position than we were in before we left the European Union, because Britain will have no role, other than third-party consultation, prior to any new directives or regulations, and we will have no choice but to accept them. If the UK Government took that line as its general approach to how it governs, you would object to that very strongly, and when it does you object very strongly, so why do you not object to such an arrangement with the European Union?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

You are doing a marvellous job of deflection. My final—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

To be fair, you have made your point on that issue, but I want to make a point about the fact that the EU’s approach to this negotiation is very cynical, particularly in relation to the French national interest, when it comes to fishing rights. I think that we agreed on that in the chamber, so I just wanted to make sure that we were still in agreement on that.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

Yes. On the Thursday before the UK-EU summit, we had a debate—you might remember it, cabinet secretary, as you were the Government speaker. That morning’s Financial Times had highlighted the fact that the price to be paid for Britain’s ability to make a play for loans from the €150 billion security action for Europe—SAFE—defence fund was fishing rights: the TCA roll-over.

I think that we agreed that that was an unacceptable point of negotiation, given the precarious defence and security situation in Europe. You have rightly pointed out the concession on fishing, although it might have been made in principle, as Keith Brown says, prior to the morning of 19 March. However, on the morning of 19 March, the EU said that there would be no agreement unless we gave it a 12-year roll-over. That is awful, is it not? That is a terrible way to talk about defence and security. Do you still stand by what you said in our exchange in the chamber about the EU’s attitude towards defence and security and fishing rights?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

You just needed to read the newspapers to know that.