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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 31 October 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Paul McLennan

You mentioned the guidance that will be published in November. We are discussing this now, and the issue was raised with the committee by legal representatives who were talking about the bill. I am not saying that it is too late for us, but we are trying to get a rounded picture of the bill. I take the cab sec’s point that it is a very small minority of people who might want to challenge matters, but one or two cases is still one or two too many for the parents who are involved. Therefore, the issue is that, if the guidance is coming out in November—I know that we are not far from November—where does that leave the committee with regard to looking at the bill and how parents will challenge the position? I ask because that issue was raised quite a bit. Can anything be done about that? If we are looking at it in the round, having additional guidance might help.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Paul McLennan

I have two questions wrapped into one. What is the Scottish Government’s current understanding of how the right to withdraw from RO and RME works in practice in denominational and non-denominational schools? How aware are parents and children that there is a parental right to withdraw their child from RO and RME?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Paul McLennan

I want to touch on the UNCRC. The previous evidence session on the bill was with legal representatives rather than people from the education side. My question concerns article 12 and article 14, and how part 1 of the bill supports compliance with them. Can you talk about that? We have heard various opinions about that.

My other question concerns the fact that, because part 1 of the bill amends the Education (Scotland) Act 1980, it is not possible to challenge a breach under the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Act 2024. Again, we heard from legal representatives on that, and you said that you have seen that evidence. What are your views on the issue?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Paul McLennan

How does part 1 of the bill support compliance with article 12 and article 14, given that it applies only to pupils who wish to remain in RO and RME following a withdrawal request?

My second question concerned the suggestion that it would not be possible to challenge a breach under part 1 of the bill, because it amends the Education (Scotland) Act 1980. How would it be possible to challenge a breach under the 2024 act?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Paul McLennan

I have a quick follow-up on the role of the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, because we have heard that different local authorities have different views. What do you see as COSLA’s overarching role in ensuring that there is a uniform approach? I know that local authorities will take slightly different views, but this is about making sure that there is an awareness out there.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Paul McLennan

That issue was raised during the legal evidence session that the committee held, and that specific point was raised as a concern.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Paul McLennan

I take that important point, which Denise McKay, Sarah Booth and you have made. We will probably discuss the issue of legal challenges later, but I have taken cognisance of what you have said.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

I want to move on to advocacy services. When we met care-experienced children yesterday, they highlighted for me and the group that I was in the importance of independent advocacy. It touches on section 4 of the bill, “Advocacy services for care-experienced persons”, and concerns have been expressed about how the bill relies too much on secondary legislation.

I will turn to Jim Savege on this. Some concerns were expressed by, for example, Adoption UK, South Ayrshire Council, COSLA and so on, about the detail of advocacy provision being left to subsequent regulations. SOLACE’s submission mentions that the bill lacks clarity on who qualifies for advocacy, how it will be delivered and how it will be funded. Do you want to say a little bit more about that and about the need for independent advocacy? That issue came through very clearly last night from the care-experienced children.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Yes, input from young people. How do councils intend to get that input and evaluate the advocacy? It is key that kids are involved not just in designing the plan but in evaluating it regularly, to make sure that it actually works. That is fundamental. How does it actually work on the ground? Rather than its being delivered to kids, they should know that they are part of the process. That message came through very strongly yesterday.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Do you have anything to add, Mr Berry?

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