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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 24 September 2026
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Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Paul McLennan

Dr Williams, do you have anything to add?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Paul McLennan

Thanks, convener. I have nothing to declare.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Paul McLennan

Does anyone else want to come in on that?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Paul McLennan

Liam Davenport, I will come to you, because you mentioned the Christie commission. I was a council leader at that time. It was a huge missed opportunity, because the commission identified where failure demand was at that time. How do we identify failure demand through the lessons that we have not learned from the Christie commission?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Paul McLennan

I have a question for Liam Davenport. You talked about the potential impact on your members of the process, and you said in your response that you want civil servants to

“feel empowered to lead the change we want to see.”

What would that process look like for you? What would you like the cabinet secretary to take from that suggestion? What would it look like practically?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Paul McLennan

Thank you. That was very helpful.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Paul McLennan

I will come to Carmen Martinez first. In your submission, you said that you echoed the concerns of the Wise Group, which talked about the need to prevent avoidable demand across the system. I have two questions about that. First, how do you identify the cost of failure demand at the start of the process? When the Wise Group gave evidence, we heard that evictions can cost between £20,000 and £25,000. If the situation is dealt with at an earlier stage, it is less costly and there will be a better outcome for the people involved. We need to identify where failure demand is now so that we can look at it.

Secondly, if we are talking about efficiencies in public service reform, how do we ensure that the pressure is not being passed down? Not everyone will tackle reform at the same time. How do we avoid the efficiencies being passed from one group to another, which means that the pressure would grow and grow as we move towards the bottom rung?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Paul McLennan

Dr Thompson, in your written submission you state:

“how efficiencies are identified and implemented is likely to be as important as the overall scale of efficiencies achieved.”

You touch on the

“unnecessary complexity, duplication and administrative burden”

that exist. That is self-explanatory, but how practically can the committee identify it? How can we identify the duplication across sectors, and how do we measure that?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Paul McLennan

I want to expand on that. We are saying that we need public service reform. How do we measure its effectiveness? It cannot just be about saving money—we all understand the need for that, but it cannot just be about that. It is about how efficient services can be and what the services are. How do we ensure that there is an ongoing process? We do not want to be back here in five years’ time thinking that we have achieved financial savings but the services are much worse. I will open up the question to the other panel members, too. How do we ensure that there is an ongoing process, so that it is not just a one-off and we do not have to come back every five years?

10:45

Health, Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 16 September 2026

Paul McLennan

I have two remarks. One is about post-diagnostic support. I recently met a dementia group, and the biggest issue for those people was that post-diagnostic support was mixed. For example, it might depend on who their doctor was.

My second point is about not only children’s hospices but about general hospices and, as you said, the move towards people dying at home. That is a good point—it will be a key issue in the next few years because it is projected that more people who die will die at home.