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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 February 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jackie Dunbar

For clarification, I totally understand and agree with that. My fear was that we would put pressure on future foster carers to have to step up when, as Ms McCall said, normally, there is no “have to” about it. That was what I was trying to get at. I would not want us to discourage people from coming forward to be foster carers.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jackie Dunbar

I have carefully reflected on the evidence that we heard during stage 1 and on stakeholders’ concerns regarding the lack of clarity about the definition of independent advocacy in the bill and I believe that my amendments 144 and 151 will address those concerns.

If passed, the amendments would create a requirement that the regulations that are currently provided for under section 4(1) must specify that care experience advocacy services should be independent and that those regulations will set out what criteria care experience advocacy services must meet in order to be considered as independent.

I have carefully considered the amendments from Roz McCall, Martin Whitfield and Ross Greer, which all seek, in varying ways, to add a more prescriptive statutory definition of independence to the bill. I am sympathetic to the intentions behind those amendments and their desire to provide greater clarity about how independent advocacy services will be delivered under the bill. However, I believe that, given the intended breadth of the lifelong right to access independent advocacy services under the provision, and its application across a range of circumstances, the inclusion of a restrictive definition might significantly impact on the range of persons who would have the capacity and competence to provide those services.

When we held a private session one evening with young people from Who Cares? Scotland, I heard them saying that they wanted to be able to choose who their advocate was. That person might be a teacher or a social worker. One young person said that a social worker could read by the expression on her face whether she wanted something or not. I think that some of the amendments that are before us might prevent young people from having such a person as an advocate. Local authorities have many different departments and services, but if we lump local services together as one—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jackie Dunbar

I agree, but I also believe that they should have the option of the person they trust the most, if that is their wish. I do not want them to be prevented from having the person they trust just because of, if I am being honest, a consideration about who pays that person’s wages.

I move amendment 144.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jackie Dunbar

I said that they could be.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jackie Dunbar

A teacher would not make decisions on the care-experienced person’s care, but they would be there to listen to the care-experienced person, if needed. I am not saying that the advocate should be a teacher. I am saying that the young person should have the right to choose. I was just using a teacher as an example, given what we heard in our evening session with young people. One young person said that they would want their social worker to be their advocate. Whether that is right or wrong is not for me to decide—that is for the young person to decide for themselves. It is a case of ensuring that we get it right for every child.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jackie Dunbar

My intervention is similar to the question that John Mason asked. I do not know whether you have come to this point yet, but I am genuinely not sure whether you are suggesting that foster parents would need to sign up to opening their door 20 years or more down the line. I worry that that would stop foster parents coming forward.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jackie Dunbar

Yes.

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jackie Dunbar

In my eyes, a teacher could be an independent advocate, if we were not limiting it by saying that the advocate had to be independent—in other words, someone from outwith the local authority. It is the young person’s right to have independent advocacy, and they should always be offered it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jackie Dunbar

I feel as though I am going down a rabbit hole.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jackie Dunbar

You have just said it—the local authority would have to have a contract with anybody who performed the role. Does that mean that nobody could be an independent advocate, because the local authority would be paying for their services? In my view, you have just blown the whole argument out of the water, because, at the end of the day, the local authority would be paying for an independent advocate. Those services would be paid for.