I certainly agree with the member that if Mr Sheridan had not engaged in the kind of rhetoric that encouraged people not to pay their obligations a good few years ago, local government would have had a considerable amount of additional resources available to it to ensure that the terms and conditions of the people whom it employs are adequate and modern. However, that was not— Many of Mr McCabe's colleagues used to support non-payment, including Frank McAveety before his career got in the way.