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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I understand.

Minister, you talked about the consultation on project Neptune. One of Ernst & Young’s recommendations was that the key commercial principles and long-term strategic objectives should be agreed by summer 2022. Have those been agreed?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I have a follow-up question to something that Kevin Hobbs said earlier. I asked you about the contract for the ferries that are being built in Turkey. Specifically, you said that there was no stipulation in that contract to use Scottish, UK or EU supply chain where possible. I have seen such clauses in other sectors, so I want to clarify who would have put that in, if such a clause had been desired in the contract to build the ferries in Turkey. Would that have been within CMAL’s gift, or would you have waited for instruction from the Scottish Government to put that in as part of the contractual criteria?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I would be very grateful for that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Liam Kerr

Just for completeness, how much is it going to cost? What is the total funding required to achieve what it sounds like you are trying to achieve?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I have one final question at this stage. In your opening statement, you mentioned the long-term plan for vessels and ports. I was interested in the part of the plan that states:

“We will reduce the average age of the fleet to around 15 years by the end of this decade.”

In our earlier session today, representatives from CMAL talked about their plans to do that. They are reasonably confident that they will be able to achieve that, but they also talked about the cost of doing so. You might have heard the chief executive say right at the end that CMAL needs money to replace ferries. I think that I heard them say that the cost of that was £1.4 billion even before inflation reached its current level. Do you have an idea of the cost—adjusted for inflation—of achieving a fleet with an average age of 15 years by the end of the decade, and will CMAL have enough money to do that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I understand. Unless Stuart Garrett has a different experience that he wants to comment on, I will stay with Robbie Drummond for a final question.

Robbie, you mentioned that the Clyde and Hebrides ferry services contract will be up in October 2024. Are you already in discussions with Transport Scotland about what will happen after that date? If so, where are those discussions?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Liam Kerr

The model in Norway is clearly very different, but we heard this morning that the Norwegian operators have a great deal of discretion over which vessels they run. Will you clarify your position in that regard given what the convener said earlier? How much flexibility and choice do you have in relation to the vessels that you run on particular routes? Do you just have to go with whatever CMAL or Transport Scotland provides for you?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I understand. Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Liam Kerr

Robbie, is that your experience?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Liam Kerr

Out of interest, how long does that process take? When you submit a request, what is the window for it to be approved?