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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 July 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Clare Haughey

Good morning, and welcome to the sixth meeting in 2025 of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee. I have received apologies from David Torrance and I welcome Jackie Dunbar to the committee as substitute. The first item is for Jackie Dunbar to declare any relevant interests.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Clare Haughey

Our second item today is consideration of the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill at stage 2. I welcome the Minister for Social Care, Mental Wellbeing and Sport.

I will briefly explain the procedure that we will follow during today’s proceedings for anyone who is watching. Members should have with them a copy of the bill, the marshalled list of amendments and the groupings. Those documents are available on the bill web page on the Scottish Parliament’s website, for anyone who is observing.

I will call each amendment individually in the order on the marshalled list. The member who lodged the amendment should either move it or say, “Not moved”, when it is called. If that member does not move it, any other member present may do so.

The groupings of amendments set out the amendments in the order in which they will be debated. There will be one debate on each group of amendments. In each debate, I will call the member who lodged the first amendment in the group to speak to and move that amendment and to speak to other amendments in the group. I will then call other members with amendments in the group to speak to but not move their amendments, and to speak to other amendments in the group if they wish to do so.

I will then call any other members who wish to speak in the debate. Members wishing to speak should indicate that by catching my or the clerk’s attention. I will then call the minister, if she has not already spoken in the debate. Finally, I will call the member who moved the first amendment in the group to wind up and to indicate whether he or she wishes to press or seek to withdraw the amendment. If the amendment is pressed, I will put the question on the amendment. If a member wishes to withdraw an amendment after it has been moved and debated, I will ask whether any member present objects. If there is an objection, I will immediately put the question on the amendment.

Later amendments in a group are not debated again when they are reached. If they are moved, I will put the question on them straight away. If there is a division, only committee members are entitled to vote. Voting is by a show of hands. It is important that members keep their hands raised clearly until the clerk has recorded their names. If there is a tie, I must exercise a casting vote.

In normal circumstances, the committee is also required to formally consider and agree each section of the bill. However, in this case, since a number of amendments seek to leave out entire sections of the bill, a separate decision on those sections will not be required. When a separate decision is needed, I will put the question at the appropriate point.

Section 1—The National Care Service Principles

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Clare Haughey

The result of the division is: For 4, Against 5, Abstentions 1.

Amendment 130 disagreed to.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Clare Haughey

The result of the division is: For 3, Against 7, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 71 disagreed to.

Amendment 16 moved—[Maree Todd]—and agreed to.

Section 15—Dealing with complaints

Amendment 98 moved—[Gillian Mackay].

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Clare Haughey

The question is, that amendment 98 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Clare Haughey

There will be a division.

For

Mackay, Gillian (Central Scotland) (Green)
Mochan, Carol (South Scotland) (Lab)
Sweeney, Paul (Glasgow) (Lab)

Against

Dunbar, Jackie (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Gulhane, Sandesh (Glasgow) (Con)
Harper, Emma (South Scotland) (SNP)
Haughey, Clare (Rutherglen) (SNP)
Whitham, Elena (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP)
Whittle, Brian (South Scotland) (Con)

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Clare Haughey

There will be a division.

For

Gulhane, Sandesh (Glasgow) (Con)
Mackay, Gillian (Central Scotland) (Green)
Mochan, Carol (South Scotland) (Lab)
Sweeney, Paul (Glasgow) (Lab)
Whittle, Brian (South Scotland) (Con)

Against

Dunbar, Jackie (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Harper, Emma (South Scotland) (SNP)
Haughey, Clare (Rutherglen) (SNP)
Whitham, Elena (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP)

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Clare Haughey

The result of the division is: For 5, Against 5, Abstentions 0.

As there is a tie, I must exercise a casting vote. I vote against amendment 122.

Amendment 122 disagreed to.

Amendment 44 moved—[Maree Todd]—and agreed to.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Clare Haughey

I call Jackie Baillie to wind up and to press or seek to withdraw amendment 100.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Clare Haughey

Amendment 115, in the name of Jackie Baillie, is grouped with amendments 126 and 127.