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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 May 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

We will be speaking to the Scottish Government and the Auditor General in the weeks ahead, so you have maybe provided us with some direction. Thank you.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

We will move on now. With respect, Mr Leonard, you might want to pursue some of those issues in your other committee. I thank you both for that exchange.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

I suspend the meeting for a few minutes to change witnesses.

10:27 Meeting suspended.  

10:32 On resuming—  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Yes. I appreciate that it was quite a broad question, but your remarks are helpful. As you state in your written submission, you have a specialist independent oversight function. You also mention that, interestingly, you are the newest commissioner.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Your written submission was really helpful, because you did not talk only about your function and that of the body; you also spoke to the wider challenge that we have been given by the Parliament and more broadly. Will you talk a bit more about what you perceive to be the current role of the SPCB supported bodies in enhancing public trust and confidence in public life in Scotland, both in terms of your responsibilities and, more widely, anything else that you want to emphasise?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you for your time and for all your reflections and answers today. I also thank you for your written submission, and I thank you in advance for the follow-up letter and further correspondence on which you gave an undertaking to Mr Leonard.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

It does, and it is helpful in the context of your six key recommendations, especially the sixth one. Thank you very much for elaborating on that.

Before we conclude, is there anything that you have not had the chance to say or to emphasise?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Before I go to colleagues, I want to pick up on a couple of points.

You talked about how you are not necessarily familiar with the work of other commissioners, which is fully understandable, but it is clear from your earlier remarks just how comprehensive your role is. I think that you said that it goes from GPs all the way up to the Scottish Government and across the public sector. Do you want to say a bit more about that? It is different from the work of some other bodies.

You also talked about the big picture and the whole system. Thank you for citing the example of third sector funding in that regard. As we look at what we have been tasked with in respect of SPCB supported bodies, do we need to see that in the context of all the other commissioners and public bodies that provide similar functions but are funded by the Scottish Government, rather than by the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

In your written submission, you say:

“From a functional perspective, I think I stand both alone in the public sector landscape and alone in the Commissioner landscape.”

The rest of the paragraph elaborates on that first sentence, but it captures the point that you are trying to emphasise. Do you want to say more about that?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

That is very helpful. All your evidence today has been helpful, as has your written submission.

I thank both of you for attending, for your contributions and for your time. Next week, the committee will hear from the Scottish Human Rights Commission and the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland.

That concludes the public part of our meeting. As previously agreed, we now move into private session to consider today’s evidence.

11:19 Meeting continued in private until 11:37.