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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 February 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

I would like to ask a few final questions. I have a couple of technical points that I will direct to Professor de Leeuw. On a number of occasions, you have made the point that we need to understand the underlying assumptions, principally about the costs, but I wonder whether that point also relates to the emission pathways. The advice from the Climate Change Committee suggests that we need balanced pathways and for those pathways to be broken down by sector, and the CCP takes a similar approach, but the differences between the pathways that the Climate Change Committee has set out and the ones that are set out in the CCP are not entirely clear. Is that another area in which we need to understand the underlying assumptions that the Scottish Government has made in order to understand the differentials? Is that a fair point to highlight?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

In what has been published, is there sufficient additional clarity on the how?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

But my question is whether that is happening anywhere in the world.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

I do not know who might be best placed to answer this. The cost is one element, but there is also a ceiling on the temperature to which electrical sources can heat things. That might suffice for some processes such as distillation, but it certainly would not for others such as cement or concrete manufacture or for other very high-heat applications.

We might not have an industry-specific representative on the panel, but does any of our witnesses have any insight on that? Do we need more focused research and development on how we can replace gas as a high-heat energy source?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

Thank you. I will bring in Lorna Slater.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

Good morning, and welcome to the first meeting in 2026 of the Economy and Fair Work Committee. I wish everyone a happy new year. I believe that we are still in time to be doing such things.

This morning we start our evidence sessions on the draft climate change plan that the Scottish Government has published. Before we begin, I note that Kevin Stewart and Michelle Thomson from the committee are joining us online; Richard Woolley, who is one of our witnesses, is also appearing remotely.

We are joined by a panel of witnesses comprising: Professor Paul de Leeuw, director, Robert Gordon University Energy Transition Institute; Stacey Dingwall, head of policy and external affairs for Scotland, Federation of Small Businesses; David Thomson, chief executive, Food and Drink Federation Scotland; Professor Karen Turner, director, centre for energy policy, University of Strathclyde; and Richard Woolley, head of energy and climate change, Chemical Industries Association. I should note that Professor Turner is also joining us online.

Given the number of witnesses, I ask that in the first instance members direct questions to a particular member of the panel, but if other witnesses want to come in they should please try to catch our eye or indicate online.

I will open the questioning. When I think about the debate surrounding the previous climate change plan, I recall that there was considerable criticism that it was heavy on high-level targets and light on detailed implementation. That risked there being a lack of clarity on how things were meant to proceed. If we look at the figures on carbon reduction categorised by industry, we can see that there has been a 57 per cent reduction since 1990. However, that has been driven not by carbon initiatives but by deindustrialisation. Does the current draft plan represent a step forward in providing such detail, or are we risking further deindustrialisation in Scotland?

Given his broad expertise, I will bring in Professor Paul de Leeuw to open up the responses and to provide his observations.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

Stephen Kerr would also like to ask a supplementary.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

It is interesting that France has the lowest electricity costs in Europe, as I understand it. I believe that Karen Turner would like to come in, and then I will go to Richard Woolley with some specific questions.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

I think that Richard Woolley was hoping to come in.