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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Monica Lennon

No. However, a number of other points that have been made do not sit comfortably with me. I am thinking about comments on taxation and community wealth that were made by the previous witnesses. We have not talked about the amount of public funding that Gresham House benefits from—for example, from the Scottish National Investment Bank—and the foreign interests that have been reported in the media. We members sometimes struggle to understand how to debunk those things and discover what is true.

Rob Carlow, I think that you have come here today and minimised the influence that Gresham House has. You have said that it is quite a minor player in land ownership. Do you want to leave the committee with the impression that you are very much a marginal stakeholder as regards land ownership and land management, or have you a more significant role in Scotland? Certainly, the impression that you have given is that you are really on the margins of the debate.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Monica Lennon

I have been asking similar questions to Mark Ruskell’s about land management plans. How do we ensure that the plans add value—instead of being just performative and adding bureaucracy—either on their own or with other processes, such as local place plans? Max Wiszniewski made the point that owning land is a privilege, because very few people in Scotland do so. In relation to rights and responsibilities, what needs to be done to strengthen the bill to ensure that land management plans can add to our net zero ambitions and our climate and nature goals? Is something missing from that part of the bill? What should we advise the Government to do differently in the bill to ensure that land management plans do good things for Scotland?

I see Sarah Madden nodding, so I will bring her in first.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Monica Lennon

Does anyone else have a view on whether we need to amend the bill when it comes to land management plans? Tara Wight? I think that Tara is possibly—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Monica Lennon

Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Monica Lennon

How would you try to balance public access aspirations with security? Would you consult communities on a land management plan that would set out principles for the short, medium and, possibly, long term? That is the kind of work that you do already—is that correct?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Monica Lennon

I will ask a final question, because I know that the convener will want to move on. We heard from the first panel of witnesses that perhaps there needs to be more emphasis on biodiversity. Rather than just sustaining biodiversity, the land management plan should be a tool to improve and increase biodiversity. Do you have a view on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Monica Lennon

Thank you, Tara. Sorry for the confusion and interruption. I know that it is harder when you are not in the room.

I do not know whether Max Wiszniewski has any comments to make, after which I will hand back to you, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Monica Lennon

Is there anything that you would like to say to the committee about what should be different from what the Government proposes on land management plans in the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill? Would you like to see any changes?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Monica Lennon

It is helpful to get that on the record. We might revisit the matter in the future. Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Monica Lennon

That is really helpful.