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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 January 2026
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Martin

The bill is a framework bill that will allow co-design to happen. That will then inform the secondary legislation, which is where the detail will lie. We hear—as an elected member, you probably hear this too—that the public sometimes feel that things are done to them in a top-down way. There is a desire to put the voices of lived experience at the heart of the process so that the system is co-designed and the secondary legislation actively meets people’s needs. Are you saying that that is the wrong way to do things?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Martin

I will bring in Stephanie Callaghan, who is online.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Martin

We will now move to the issue of local accountability, which has been much discussed throughout the session. As Sandesh Gulhane has a question on that, I will go to him first and then come to Paul O’Kane. After that, we must wrap things up.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Martin

I am conscious that a member of our panel is joining us online. Jackie Buchanan, if you want to come in at any point, let us know in the chat box. Because you have not come in so far, I want to bring you in now to give your view on some of the points that have been raised in this part, before we move to the next theme.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Martin

We can hear you fine.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Tess White has some questions.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Do you agree with the principle of co-design with stakeholders, in order to inform that detail?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Martin

I think that Tess White has a question on that.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Martin

When you say “centralisation of services”—you have used that phrase a couple of times—the impression that is given is that services will be run from a central position, when, in fact, the framework sets out that it is about ministerial accountability for standards and that services will still be local. Do you not agree with that? Do you still want clarity on it?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Martin

My point is that there is a difference between delivery and accountability. There will still be local delivery, but there will be ministerial oversight of the standards.