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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

John Mason

So, even though that was a few years ago, you do not think that there is any reason to have a consultation.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

John Mason

It has been argued that a residential trip adds something more—seeing the teacher in their pyjamas adds something, compared with just everyone being in the forest for a couple of hours.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

John Mason

On another subject, the Government has talked about compensation for people who had infected blood and people who were affected by the Post Office scandal. Two quite chunky numbers are involved in that. However, you have made the point that defence and overseas aid aims are unfunded—there is nothing for what is coming along on that. I presume that, if there were changes to defence or overseas aid—areas that struck me were possible expenditure on rebuilding Ukraine or Gaza—that would be a one-off that would just hit us. None of that is really taken account of, is it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

John Mason

I return to some of the issues that have already been mentioned, especially the national insurance increase. As I understand it, you have placed quite a big emphasis on profits being squeezed and wages and jobs perhaps being reduced in future years, but you do not seem to put so much emphasis on the idea that prices might increase. If I was running a restaurant and charging £17 for a main course, why would I not just add £0.50 or £1 on to that? Some restaurant people have told me that that is what they do.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

John Mason

They could put prices up on the Monday.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

John Mason

That is helpful. The approach means that we treat borrowing in the same way whether it is for a physical asset, such as a new bridge, or just day-to-day expenditure.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

John Mason

From your point of view, it makes a difference, obviously, because one of those items will create more of a return in the longer term, even though—I agree—it is not a definite, fixed economic return. Should we be thinking of those two kinds of debt separately?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

John Mason

That is helpful. On a different subject, I am still trying to get my head around the letters, so could you explain PSNFL—public sector net financial liabilities—to me? I get that, if I was borrowing through a mortgage, you would look at my asset—my house—and the two would go together. In a sense, it makes sense to include financial assets, but physical assets are not included. I would have thought that borrowing money to build a road, a house or a school would be slightly different from borrowing to pay for teachers and nurses or other resource spending. Will you explain the logic of why that measure is used?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

John Mason

I appreciate it that you have unpacked that for me. You mentioned three years and five years. I wonder whether you have an opinion on that. We are to have a spending review, which is for three years, as I understand it, although there is also the five-year forecast period. Is there a right length of time for those things? Three years is quite short. Should the spending review be for longer?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

John Mason

That is very kind, convener.

Along with Ross Greer, I have the privilege of being on the Education, Children and Young People Committee, so we have had a lot more background on the bill. I will press you a little more on capital spending, which the convener asked about. The education committee got the impression that some outdoor centres are really struggling and people’s expectations of them are rising. Some of the buildings were built in 1939—as it happens, I have stayed in some of those.

The current model seems to be that schools pay for only the running costs and that the capital funding for outdoor centres has to come from other sources. The centres are going around to trusts to beg for money and are fundraising and doing different things. I get the impression that some of the centres seem to be a little more successful than others, but that is to be expected. The suggestion was made that if an outdoor centre hits a major financial challenge, it may well close. The current funding model is working to an extent, but not hugely, and the councils have largely closed their centres. Surely, going forward, the model cannot continue, and some new money must come in on the capital side?