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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 February 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

I am not aware that a firm timeline has been put in place. There was a commitment in the programme for government. I said that we would like to get the pilot up and running this financial year. I want to see it up and running quite quickly, but we also want to get it right. I hope that it can inform some reasonably rapid progression from that point on. If I recall rightly, we said that it would be done within this parliamentary session. We would all like to have it done as early in the session as possible, and we are trying to put some momentum into that just now.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

I am, of course, conscious of where funding has to be found. Dealing with such challenges has taken up much of my 12 weeks in the job. On occasion, budgetary pressures arise. The teachers pay settlement was one significant pressure. I see the exchange programme as being a priority now. We need to get on and do something with it, and that is what I intend to do.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

That was a private meeting, but the subject was aired.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

I can speak to the conversations that I have had, and my officials can perhaps add to that. Last week, I met the University and College Union, and we had a discussion about the circumstances surrounding the issue. I had further discussion with the universities yesterday.

We find ourselves in a regrettable situation, and the impact that it is having on students is also regrettable. The situation is indicative of a strained relationship between the trade unions and management in the universities sector. I have urged management in Scotland to get the Universities and Colleges Employers Association back to the table with the trade unions to make progress in resolving the dispute. That is the only way in which we will get it sorted out. Individual universities have taken different approaches to addressing the impacts of the marking boycott, which are varied, depending on the institutions. The situation in which we find ourselves is not at all satisfactory and we need to get it resolved.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

As the committee is aware, an additional pressure arose as a consequence of settling the teachers pay dispute. That money had to be found from the education budget. That is the nature of Government.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

We have had that exchange previously, in the chamber. The simple fact is that, if the money is not there, it cannot be magicked up. I absolutely regret the pressures that the colleges are under and the redundancies that are having to be made, but I am afraid that that is the reality of the situation.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

In a minute, I will bring in Jess Dolan on the detail of some of that.

One issue that has come across my desk during the past few weeks—no doubt there are good reasons for this—is that, if a college conducts a process of voluntary severance, it has to run that past the SFC. However, it does not have to do so if it is conducting an exercise in compulsory redundancy, which is a little bit anomalous. It relates to what you just said about the oversight of processes, and I am keen to have a look at it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

Not specifically, because it predates my time in post. They are required to pay heed to public sector pay policy but are not bound by it. That is the nature of the structures that they have.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

I undertake to do that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

Until December. They are still looking at that.

I do not doubt that colleges are having to take very difficult decisions at the moment, and I recognise that those decisions have consequences. That is why the detailed dialogue that we have entered into with the colleges is so important. There is a constructive dialogue about what we can do to enable colleges to become more sustainable in the short and medium term. That is the spirit in which those discussions are taking place, and they will be ramped up next week when I meet college representatives directly.